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View Poll Results: Nisemonogatari - Episode 08 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 166 | 75.45% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 22 | 10.00% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 10 | 4.55% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 3 | 1.36% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 4 | 1.82% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 3 | 1.36% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 3 | 1.36% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 2 | 0.91% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 1 | 0.45% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 6 | 2.73% | |
Voters: 220. You may not vote on this poll |
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2012-02-26, 06:50 | Link #181 | |
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I don't know if the perverted/wacky side of Nisio that has been restrained in Bake has taken over or anything, but that certainly what it seems to me. There's still a point in the scenes (like in this ep, it shows that after the events of Karen Bee Karen has became much closer to Araragi and not all tomboyish) but there's definitely a higher fanservice to plot ratio in these scenes. Now, for SHAFT, obviously they're going to adapt Nise. Bake is a huge success in sales and acclaim, and Nise is part of the ongoing story so despite all the increased focus in fanservice, it isn't that skippable (Kaiki isn't gone for good, and the fire sisters are definitely sticking around). Now they have a choice whether to adapt all these fanservice scenes faithfully, or skip it to go straight to the more plot-relevant stuff. They chose the former by doing things faithfully, but instead of doing a by-the-numbers 'let's get this over with approach', they instead completely revels on it and make it as grand as possible. Now this may be my personal opinion, but to be honest I don't mind it. Maybe it's because I'd rather prefer a faithful adaptation than experimenting to make the anime has its own take and flavor of the source material (though to be honest, this is just because usually the anime studio screws this up instead of making it better). Do I wish they can swap the budget with Bake? Well, yeah I do, but to be honest I'm also in awe of the audacity of how they're willing to burn the budget and do everything just for fanservice scenes - so over the top I looped back to being impressed. So yeah, after watching the first few ep of Nise I adjusted my expectations of Nise - to take an example, more of a fumoffu sequel than a Second Raid (though I still think fumoffu > Nise). Like I've said before, I'd rather that this fanservice interlude doesn't last as long as full season, but apparently Nisio himself dedicates a full blown novel for this in the first place, allegedly with as much focus on the fanservice scenes as well, so it really isn't all SHAFT's fault. All I'm hoping is that SHAFT doesn't burn all their budget on this with nothing to spend on further seasons. Also, I really hope that this is just a one time venting thing for Nisio, and that the increased fanservice ratio won't be an ongoing trend going forward in further novels. Because really, as much as I derive enjoyment from Nise for what it is, I still prefer the Bake approach and wish that it's the style future novels are sticking with as well.
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2012-02-26, 06:54 | Link #182 |
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How does on why a toothbrush scene being criticized due to it not only being incestuous and irritating but irrelevant to advancing the plot, is considered irrelevant to this episode discussion.
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2012-02-26, 07:14 | Link #186 |
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The WTF-ness of this episode was amazing. Wow...just wow...9/10, because I really don't rate stuff higher than that. Made a great few laughs and had both plot and randomness...the type of thing that attracted me here in the first place.
And I'm sorry, but how does incest make a plot good/bad? I mean, if it's a moral thing, fine, but it doesn't make writing automatically go to shit...I'm confused. Honestly.
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2012-02-26, 07:20 | Link #188 |
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Maybe viewers should really look things on a different perspective when they watch Bake and Nise...
The approaches of Bake and Nise no doubt are completely different. But to be honest, from Episode 12 of Bake onwards, I start to see a shift from the typical trend that's in the first 11 episodes of Bake. So I'm actually not surprised that Nise goes more in depth with relationships. Bake is really to introduce the important characters into the story. Nise is to develop on the relationships. I think people have said this before, but viewers should really be more open-minded on Nise than Bake. Bake is a lot more precise, but Nise is a lot broader in perspective, so don't be surprised if you see an episode in Nise that doesn't make any sense to the plot. You can be angry all you want, I'm cool with that, but to those who voted 1/10 just because you're fed up with the incest/sexist theme in this episode, you should really think again. Nise is more spread out and not specifically linked to the main title. You shouldn't vote something 1/10 just out of your own rage and emotions. If you are angry with an episode or so because of something, you shouldn't even vote in the first place. Personally, I'm actually cool with this episode. I find it funny and ridiculous at the same time, and I like it because that's the strength of Monogatari. You just don't know what to expect. I definitely do have facepalm moments, but for SHAFT to be able to do just that, I'd say they did a great job at that.
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2012-02-26, 07:24 | Link #189 | |
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To deny the right to vote 1/10 because they didn't like this episode doesn't make any sense at all. It is basically an oxymoron to what the voting system is for to begin with. If there was "no reason" to vote low/high score, that much would be understandable, but your logic is not sound in these circumstances: it is because they don't like it that they can vote such a low score, which is the same for people who liked it and vote 9-10/10. Your pretense doesn't work at all.
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2012-02-26, 07:24 | Link #190 | |
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And it's a poll; who the heck cares when the numbers are trending positively anyways?
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2012-02-26, 07:27 | Link #191 | |
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2012-02-26, 07:30 | Link #193 | |
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I don't give a rat's ass about whether or not one LN was more/less fanservice centric compared to each other or in their animated adaptations. An anime should be assessed on the anime itself, or else this will be like trying to argue something like Persona 4 is a great anime because it's dead loyal to its source material. That's a load of bollocks if you ask me. What works in a manga, LN or game does not always work in a visual animated or motion picture medium. I came into the Monogatari franchising liking the dialogue and character interactions in Bakemonogatari. Fanservice was there but I didn't mind too much (cept for the Nadeko Snake arc). Nisemonogatari retains largely the great dialogue and character interactions when it chooses to do so, but unfortunately half the time it seems to go off-course and instead of developing character or moving the plot, muck around with whatever otaku fetish they feel like exploring. Half the time. I don't recall Bake resorting to this amount. Last edited by Pocari_Sweat; 2012-02-26 at 07:47. |
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2012-02-26, 07:32 | Link #194 |
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Yeah, I have no qualms with the voting system anyway. It's just funny when people just straight vote 1/10 without even thinking twice. But that's how people are, I can understand that Like Archon_Wing said, rage is rage...
Rage can be a good thing sometimes, though.
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2012-02-26, 07:33 | Link #195 | |
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To those mentioning this episode has no plot development, I present to you more talking heads.
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2012-02-26, 07:34 | Link #196 | |
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2012-02-26, 07:35 | Link #197 | |
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Your conception of vote score doesn't mean people have the same (some use it only as how they enjoyed an episode, without factoring absolute qualities/defaults whatsoever). To make such statement is nothing but impertinent.
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2012-02-26, 07:47 | Link #199 | |
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Seeing Koyomi toothbrushing Hitagi is kinda a romantic mirror from that episode
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2012-02-26, 07:47 | Link #200 | |
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Actually, I guess it's my bad that I said those who voted 1/10 are those who "don't think twice". I didn't actually mean that (or wasn't clear enough). I'm just referring to people who straight vote 1/10 out of pure rage. Those who voted 1/10 with valid reasons, I definitely respect that. I mean no harm. That said, let me get back on topic. To emphasize on this episode, yeah, while I find it absurd and all, I also find this episode funny at the same time. What I love of this episode is how detailed SHAFT can get just in this toothbrush cutscene alone. Though Bake and Nise have different story approaches, the scene approaches are still close to the same, and that's what I love about Bake and Nise
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