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View Poll Results: Critique of Episode 06 | |||
10 out of 10: Near Perfect... | 21 | 15.22% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent... | 28 | 20.29% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good... | 42 | 30.43% | |
7 out of 10 : Good... | 24 | 17.39% | |
6 out of 10 : Average... | 13 | 9.42% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average... | 4 | 2.90% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor... | 3 | 2.17% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad... | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad... | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Torturous... | 3 | 2.17% | |
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2012-08-15, 03:53 | Link #221 | |||
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Trials? Struggle against the boss monster who holds an item that potentially ressurects people? Zero trouble against a bunch of PKers? We didn't see Asuna work her way up. 1 ep she's a noob, next she's a leader. Great development. The biggest issue this show has, is that it tells rather than shows. I don't think it's all meaningless, but where's the journey (ie. the development)? I'm all for world building (ie. learning how the world works, side stories etc), but good stories flesh out the main plot before putting in "filler". Edit: Quote:
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Also, this wait and see approach isn't really working for me at the moment. Most shows that try this approach tend to end up making absurd/convoluted ways to connect everything making you realise the author had obviously not thought things out. Last edited by Quadratic; 2012-08-15 at 04:14. |
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2012-08-15, 04:43 | Link #223 | |
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Not saying that it's bad, but does feel like a turnaround compared to what it started with. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if at the end of the series, we see the final boss appear at the end of one episode (cliff-hanger!), then the next episode we're just told they've beaten the boss and now back in the real world. The end. Last edited by Quadratic; 2012-08-15 at 04:59. |
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2012-08-15, 05:05 | Link #224 | |
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2012-08-15, 05:15 | Link #225 | |
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There's more to plot and trial and struggle than physical action and combat.
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2012-08-15, 05:32 | Link #226 | ||
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2012-08-15, 05:33 | Link #227 |
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Not to argue against anyone or anything, but personally I think if an anime makes a lot of its watchers confused about bits and pieces which is then replied "it's explained better in the source material", marks the signs of bad writing adaptation. Not that the source is bad, but the adaptation is. Is the original author working on this anime as well?
Granted it's still only 6 eps, but I somewhat share Quadratic's worry. People say it's not a story about trying to escape the game asap but actually living in it. If so, the exposition in the anime may have failed in that regard, as shown by some people who have the false impression about the show. People say there's character development, but the sheer scale of the time skip makes it's impact somewhat trivialized. Not that the drama is lacking, but the impact is.
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2012-08-15, 06:16 | Link #228 | |
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The gap of the timeskip is clearer on the LN which looks like a piece-by-piece story telling. The anime on the other hand tried to put the pieces of timeskip into a straight line of story which resulted in what yous watching until this point(with a little omitting here and there of course). I think it's way better to see it like this rather than to see it like the LN format of story plot. Although I also admit that the anime omitting itself is quite bad as they omitted some basic info's of the game, and for that it's the script writter's fault not the author.
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2012-08-15, 06:57 | Link #229 | |||
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I can't speak for every other complainer, but I think this show already has sufficient amount of "action" from what we've been shown. That not what my complaint is about. It's about the disjointed progression which leads to a lack of empathy for the characters. There's so much wasted potential, eg. how Kirito planned to stay ahead as a solo player whilst avoiding being PK'd for being a "beater", Asuna's rise to the top, the start of Kirito and Asuna's disagreement on how to progress through the game etc. It doesn't need to be about grinding and action (whoa, that sounded dirty). Funny you say these are sidestories from the LN, because it clearly shows. Most shows/manga/novels shove the sidestories in the middle of the story after they've fully caught the attention of the audience, at a point where people want to know more about the world/have the world fleshed out/show flashback, not at the beginning where you can quickly lose the audience's interest. Anyway, let's drop the discussion of the LN as I fear spoilers will pop up (which always happens when the LN word comes up). Quote:
That episode was ok, but it could have been completely skipped and we wouldn't care, since there was no impact, subtle or otherwise, in any of the following episodes (yes, I know there's a wait and see argument coming, but so far it's importance in the story is non-existent). Quote:
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2012-08-15, 07:25 | Link #230 | |
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These SS should be in the middle, again yes they should There's alot of potential wasted in exmaple like how Kirito stayed ahead as a beater and such thing you said, that's also true. But in SAO these supposed SS that you are watching until this point is shown at the end of the arc instead of in the beginning or in the middle of the story, that's how the author made it to be. The main point of SAO as i said before is to show us the relation Kirito had with other players instead of the game itself. Also the fact that these SS are shown in the beginning, don't you think on your own that "Maybe....these people will get a more important role on the later episodes or that they're also important for him"?
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2012-08-15, 08:07 | Link #231 | |
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I would think they will return, considering asuna dissapeared for a while and then came back. Also, at the end of silica's episode she says that she'll tell pina everything that happened, meaning she held the meeting deeply, so I would think that she may reappear somewhere. (I actually know what happens so I'm saying what I would think if I just watched the Anime)
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2012-08-15, 09:37 | Link #233 | |
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2012-08-15, 09:56 | Link #234 | |
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2012-08-15, 11:10 | Link #235 | |
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Kirito's failure and guilt involving Sachi and the Black Cats is crucial in providing context as to why he had that detour involving Silica and the PK guild. When the guild leader who had his whole guild PKed came to the front lines to ask for justice, Kirito sympathized with him and took valuable time to help him when no one else would. This is quite a contrast to the Kirito who abandoned Klein back in the first episode. Another example I can pull to illustrate my point is in episode five when we see Kirito kick back and enjoy the world of SAO for the first time since the death game began. I don't think it's a coincidence that this happened right after the side story with Silica, which was the most light-hearted episode so far. The problem here is that there's a lack of exposition to link these side stories together. Kirito never mentions the Black Cats in episode four and there's is no mention of Silica in the recent arc to imply that a prime reason for why he's able to find peace is because his detour with Silica likely helped him to find closure with Sachi and the Black Cats. |
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2012-08-15, 11:11 | Link #236 | |
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We see it in episode 2, when he's at the frontliners meeting regarding the first boss. He's on his own and essentially parties up with the only other loner he sees. At the end of the episode, he distances himself from the rest of the frontliners. This last bit especially is the very definition of self-exiled loner as relentlessflame put it. He chooses to distance himself from everyone. |
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2012-08-16, 01:33 | Link #240 | |||
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After ep 2, we see no effect regarding his "exile"/"beater" status, since he had zero problems joining up with the Black Cats, Silica, and join in the meeting with the frontline! The lack of show, don't tell is apparent: "I'm a solo player" -> parties with Klein "I'm a solo player" -> joins a guild "I'm a solo player" -> parties with Silica "I'm a solo player" -> parties with Asuna (Trust me, he really is a solo player!) His soloing is nearly all off-screen. |
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