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Perfect 10 | 86 | 57.33% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 39 | 26.00% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 13 | 8.67% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 5 | 3.33% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 4 | 2.67% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 1.33% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 0.67% | |
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2012-09-19, 13:25 | Link #141 | |
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2012-09-19, 14:42 | Link #142 | |
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I also got the feeling that the old man trusted Oreki's news about the bridge construction, more so than Hanai did. Probably means that Houtarou's going to become an annual "volunteer," though. |
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2012-09-19, 17:40 | Link #143 | |
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It was way too early for Oreki to be proposing to Chitanda. They're not even on first name basis yet, haven't gone on a real date yet, not met the parents... If he had proposed at that moment, the family would have thought that he was after their money.
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2012-09-19, 20:29 | Link #144 | |
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2012-09-20, 00:50 | Link #145 | ||
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Speaking of family, unless I had my head up my butt through part of the series, Oreki's family seemed pretty mysterious. |
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2012-09-20, 07:40 | Link #146 |
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Saying stuff like " I like you alot..." is the confession. Saying stuff like he did was a proposal. People who are just starting to date don't offer to take over the business side of the family business. That doesn't happen unless you marry into the family, engaged into the family or are a member of the family and know your stuff.
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2012-09-20, 13:20 | Link #147 |
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I think Oreki even imagining his proposal speaks volumes on how he feels about Chitanda.
The show ended beautifully, but I'm certainly sad to see it ending. The open ending makes sense, considering the ages of the characters. How many of us knew how our lives were going to turn out when we were 16? |
2012-09-20, 13:24 | Link #148 | |
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I'd be much more satisfied if I saw the next 5 years though. |
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2012-09-20, 13:49 | Link #149 |
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Chitanda is the same as Oreki. She admires him but she didn't go all Alpha Female on him either.
Oreki likes her enough to change his own lifestyle. And Eru likes him enough to lay bare everything about her and show it him. |
2012-09-20, 14:24 | Link #151 | |
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Of course, for normal couples, dating is the way people figure out whether or not lifelong commitment makes sense, while having some fun. But Houtarou's sheer indifference to "fun" makes dating onerous, and the whole issue of finding out whether or not he's ready for commitment can be handled just by continuing to spend time with her. Of course, I'm not sure if Chitanda will let him operate this way. |
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2012-09-20, 17:24 | Link #152 | |
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I think there is absolutely a relationship upgrade in Hyouka. It just unfolds over the course of 22 episodes rather than in a single scene in an otherwise empty classroom at sunset. Last edited by ThereminVox; 2012-09-20 at 17:55. |
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2012-09-20, 17:37 | Link #153 | |
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While going straight from "friendship" to "Will you marry me?" would seem like utter insanity to most people, there could be some rationale to it from Oreki's standpoint. I don't think that Oreki would have much interest in dating for its own sake. And if it's just a means to an end, why not just skip straight to the end (this I think would be Oreki's rationale)? I recall Oreki once briefly talking about his love for the word "shortcut". Oreki is now much more willing to take part in activities that require time and effort, but he's still a very practical person, I think. In other words, he won't spend time doing something unless he sees a clear and practical purpose in it.
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2012-09-20, 21:35 | Link #154 | |
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In ep. 21, Oreki says frankly he doesn't feel things the same way as Chitanda does--and he doesn't. Final scene notwithstanding, he'll always be rather gray, usually with that indifferent scowl on his face. I think the lesson he took from the fate of Chitanda's uncle was that while the rose colored lifestyle might have its good points, his gray colored world had its strengths--namely his ability to see the truth at the core of every situation, no matter how ugly it was. And that's borne out later. For Hyouka's upbeat tone, a lot of the mystery plots had sad endings--Chitanda's uncle's secret resentment; his sad but wise advice to her; the deception of Oreki himself during the film arc; the failed attempt to communicate during the festival arc; even the deaths of the mountaineers, despite that english teacher's brief moment of hope when he saw the helicopters. Who better to deal with the truth than gray colored Oreki, who seems so difficult to move emotionally? And who better to make the best of sad situation, whether it be restoring Chitanda's memories of her uncle, no matter how tinged with sadness they are, or selling anthologies via blackmail, or finding the white lie to calm Chitanda down at the end of ep. 21, without completely shattering Satoshi's fragile illusion? But Oreki *does* care about Chitanda--and it goes beyond his obvious physical attraction her (which, btw, he seems to feel for no other girl). The imagined confession was so Oreki--deeply pragmatic, and bluntly honest--taking into account Chitanda's honest and accurate self-criticism of her own failings, but also offering a solution to those problems. And a willingness to over-ride his own cherished philosophy of energy conversation for her sake. Coming from him, it was pragmatism turned into poetry, but they only had that meaning coming from him. And I think Chitanda would have recognized it for what they meant, which is why they're a good match--and I believe she had more than an inkling that he thought something along those lines, even though the words proved too powerful to be uttered at that moment. |
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2012-09-20, 21:36 | Link #155 | |
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1. Eru comes from a major family in rural Japan, so (as we see) there's a lot of tradition involved there too. I'm not sure her family has much use for casual dating either; it probably wasn't too many generations back that they were still doing arranged marriages (and who knows -- they may still if she didn't manage to find anyone and was seeking a partner; it wouldn't be beyond the realm of possibility even today). I think they would only expect Eru to consider a relationship with someone who's a candidate for marriage, because her life is going to be steeped in responsibility anyway. 2. For all intents and purposes, all the time Houtarou is spending with Eru now might as well count as dating. He is certainly spending a lot of one-on-one time with her, and in the process getting to know the way she thinks (and vice-versa). After this episode, there isn't a whole lot of mystery left about her dreams and aspirations. She's about as open a book to him as she can be, for the most part. So yeah, as you went on to say, what's the point? All the "romantic stuff" they can just as easily do when they're engaged or after they're married. Basically, if you want to look at it this way, you could say that this entire 22 episode show is Eru courting Houtarou. In the last episode, she basically extends her offer, and now she is waiting for Houtarou to respond.
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2012-09-21, 07:46 | Link #156 | |
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After all, as someone said above, a lot of the situations in this show were flat out sad- mundane and irrelevant compared to what we normally see in fiction (and anime especially), but still sad at their core. The ones that weren't were normally bittersweet, leaning more on the bitter side. |
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2012-09-21, 08:48 | Link #157 | |
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I kinda hate 5cm as now everything bittersweet will automatically will use that as a barometer for an ending. Hyouka was and is different from 5cm. The location, situation and most importantly characters are different and thus you can't take Oreki and Chitanda and place them in a 5cm world and say "oh look, it will turn out like this". As pointed above, most of the time Oreki and Chitanda spends their time in the clubroom together, oft off camera, and oft without Satoshi or Mayaka as they have their own clubs. |
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2012-09-21, 15:43 | Link #158 |
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As great visually as it is, I think that the story in 5cm does not really make sense.
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If and when Hyouka want to have a sad ending, I trust that the author will take time to show how they grew apart. What I predict (and hope) will happen, however, is Houtarou's journey to get there by her side. He has both obstacles in the form of his old lifestyle and Eru's family status. Last edited by relentlessflame; 2012-09-21 at 18:08. Reason: added spoiler tag for specifics |
2012-09-21, 21:52 | Link #160 | |
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The same goes for the final scene, where she seems genuinely melancholic about her fate to some degree--but even without the confession, she smiles and says spring is coming, and a gust of wind confirms her statement. And Oreki smiles also--Nature takes on a life of its own in that last episode, and it confirms the generally hopeful cast of the ending, so I don't think we should associate the sadder parts of the plot with the fate of Oreki and Chitanda. |
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