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2012-10-25, 00:37 | Link #43 | |
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i highly doubt madara to be the one behind the rin incident, i am pretty sure he did not plan kakashi killing rin, which was the main deal there. and i also think rin is no mist spy because if she was kakashi wouldn't take the trouble to go to her grave and talk to her, and her grave in konoha itself shows that she was a konoha ninja
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2012-10-25, 04:32 | Link #46 |
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i think they've both reached their creative limits years ago, which is probably why they're trying to finish their respective series. although, i think they should have finished them much earlier. bleach should have been done eons ago.
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Kishimoto tries too hard sometimes. The most recent example being Tobi’s reveal—something most people had figured out when his character was introduced. When Kishimoto goes more with the flow and not trying to meet up with any expectation, I think he produces better work. I simply feel that the story needs to focus on Madara and Sasuke with Naruto in the same room—not Sasuke with Orochimaru in the flashback machine (but I know it will happen either in real time or in a flashback). I want to see progression in this story because that is what Kishimoto is good at. But I wouldn’t say that Naruto is in the same position as Bleach. I have a feeling that Kishimoto has some sort of idea how he wants to end his series—Bleach is more ‘anything goes’. But if Naruto is given sharingan, I’d probably jump on this bandwagon too. Quote:
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2012-10-25, 06:24 | Link #48 | |
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2012-10-25, 08:27 | Link #52 |
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most probably because of the parallelism between him and darth vader. and because obito was not evil to begin with, even his intentions are not evil, it's just that he ended up doing evil deeds. he was brainwashed by madara just like nagato was. heck, even sasuke and kabuto were mind-fucked. he turned dark side because he was made to believe that he could retrieve everything he had lost if he worked with madara, he betrayed his clan, shunned his friends and disowned konoha. sooner or later he will realize his mistake and when he does he will try to make amends. only two people could possibly talk-no-jutsu him, it will either be kakashi or naruto with his "this is my way of the ninja" speech. come on, you gotta admit this is the most obvious progression of the plot. unless kishi pulls a major twist and turns obito into the big baddie and not just some madara lackey (which i doubt will happen). kishi will try to redeem obito.
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2012-10-25, 08:29 | Link #53 | |
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To put it into perspective, if the entire basis of your faith system is based on a false assumption, then everything you've done will working under that system must be questioned. No, it is the simple fact that many villains in the series, especially the big ones, get some form of redemption. Nagato, Gaara, undoubtedly Sasuke, Kabuto and Sasori to an extent (theirs was mostly sympathy or at least pity), and especially Itachi. We have been literally conditioned to expect some form of redemptive outcome. |
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2012-10-25, 08:40 | Link #54 | |
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2012-10-25, 10:23 | Link #55 | |
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i highly doubt orochimaru will ever be redeemed. sasuke, yes of course. madara no. but obito is still an enigma as far as i can see. which is what still makes him interesting to me. i agree that there is a little to be desired from the explanations of tobi being obito, but i like the story and obito so far. i'm not down on it hardly at all, not nearly like the last few posters on this thread at least. i'm excited to see what happened behind rin's death and i want to see which course of action obito will take once all is out in the open. personally i'd like to see obito get even more evil (or the same as he has been i guess) but i can see it going either way at this point. i do think he'll turn on madara which would be a semi-good act though. since obito and madara are so over-powered, their downfall will probably be not working together and not trusting each other. |
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2012-10-25, 10:41 | Link #56 |
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^well we can agree on this point, that i would like obito to remain evil, even after he learns the reason of rin's death, he has gone far too long and caused too big of a havoc to go for redemption now,
even if obito decides on not continuing on this path surely someone will just slay him
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2012-10-25, 11:06 | Link #57 | |
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2012-10-25, 12:17 | Link #58 |
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Well Orochimaru is more of a wild card really. He is largely uninterested in destroying the world. he did attack Konoha on a whim, but that was partly a ploy to get Sasuke, and partly just for the evulz.
As for the whole "Obito turning" thing. I don't exactly see how the truth behind Rin's death would even change anything. It won't make the world any less rotten, and it won't make Rin any less dead, which are his two primary motives for doing things. |
2012-10-25, 13:36 | Link #59 | |
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That being said, I was indicating an expressed sympathy on my part for Sasori and Kabuto as redeeming the characters for me rather than a strict redemptive action. To put it another way, by Kishimoto providing some context for their actions I was able to view them not as simple bad guys, but rather characters that due to flawed histories performed evil actions (this was especially true of Kabuto). So, while they did not have a strict redemptive moment, I do feel the were "redeemed" as characters if for no other reason than they became somewhat sympathetic and understandable. |
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