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View Poll Results: Sword Art Online - Episode 22 Rating | |||
10 out of 10 : Near Perfect... | 71 | 47.97% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent... | 39 | 26.35% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good... | 18 | 12.16% | |
7 out of 10 : Good... | 9 | 6.08% | |
6 out of 10 : Average... | 2 | 1.35% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average... | 1 | 0.68% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor... | 3 | 2.03% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad... | 2 | 1.35% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad... | 1 | 0.68% | |
1 out of 10 : Torturous... | 2 | 1.35% | |
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2012-12-02, 18:58 | Link #221 | |
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So the question is why must it be especially Suguha in that place of the role of his friend in this arc, except to add a pointless and forced drama that Kirito is her cousin who will never return her feelings? |
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2012-12-02, 19:00 | Link #222 |
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Yet, other than not liking what happened to her, there's no reason it didn't have to be her either. Funny how that works, huh?
Also, Suguha gives a connection to Kirito, since she started playing to understand him better. Wouldn't have that with some random. |
2012-12-02, 19:02 | Link #223 | |
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Yeah sure, go make a great argument that Suguha can be replaced by someone, what have you proved exactly? |
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2012-12-02, 19:03 | Link #224 | |
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You don't like Suguha's story? That's fine. Could Kirito's "Save the girl" story be done with any random guide? Yes. Maybe you like that story better, and would rather all the focus be put there. That's fine. But the only person who can star in Suguha's story is Suguha, and if you chop that away, well, you chop away half of the story being told.
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In the end, this is nothing more than you not liking Suguha, and wanting her to be replaced by someone else with no story.
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2012-12-02, 19:10 | Link #226 |
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I suppose Dauerlutscher is arguing that Suguha's story gets in the way of the development of Kirito and Asuna's story? In a certain sense I suppose this is true as screen time is taken up to bust up some raid on a meeting of leaders that Sugu is angsting about that could be spent on developing Kirito's story and character for example. I guess its just a preference of whether one likes character development to be spread out amongst characters or to be concentrated and really well done?
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2012-12-02, 19:13 | Link #227 |
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But clearly Kirito cannot do this alone. He's going to need a lot of help. Cue the raid of two factions he just saved, and funded with his leftover SAO money (which for some reason he didn't think would benefit getting himself ancient weapons and armor), due solely to the fact that Leafa was with him.
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2012-12-02, 19:16 | Link #228 | |
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And I dont think the drama involving her feelings for Kirito/Kazuto are all that forced, sure there are probably better set-ups for this but also much, much worse. I could have told you Kirito's "little sister" either had feelings for him or was just simply fond of him back in episode 3. |
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2012-12-02, 19:22 | Link #229 | |
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2012-12-02, 19:24 | Link #230 |
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I don't know, I'm pretty sure a lot of people, myself included, would be beyond miffed if Kirito soloed what a raid in ancient equipment couldn't, in the equivalent of vendor trash. Especially after seeing how closely matched he was to the Salamander General.
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2012-12-02, 19:26 | Link #231 |
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Hmmm... nothing else but the main characters/favorite pairing should matter...? Why does that sound familiar-
Oh shit it's the Nanoha series all over again ! And even some of the old timers are back !
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Basically, you're saying "your feelings for Kazuto never mattered because we (in the audience) knew all along that you stood no chance, so all you're doing is wasting our time". Is it really that hard to empathize with the story you're seeing unfold in "her life"? (Well, I guess it's pointless for me to ask this...) Quote:
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Suguha's story has every element of a story that fully stands on its on. It's just intertwined in this story so that two connected stories are being told at the same time. You can't lop off one of the two stories and be like "this one doesn't matter!". It's as much a part of this story as everything else. Again, to be clear, I'm not saying you have to like it.
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2012-12-02, 19:32 | Link #233 |
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Isn't ALO supposed to be skill based? I mean he was one-two shotting enemies more or less easily with that vendor trash and there was some strange sequence at the end before Kirito died where he seemed to be under the assumption that if he could reach the top he could end the raid. Honestly, it would have been kind of badass to struggle through it alone where others have failed as a group. Reminds me of sequences like in Metal Gear and MGS4 where snake has to crawl across an electrified floor in an individual effort of pain and suffering to accomplish his goals. Snake is scarred, but mentally-fortified after such a harrowing experience which is a route the writers could have went with Kirito. I guess we just have to deal with teen angst now.
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2012-12-02, 19:35 | Link #234 |
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Which is kind of odd, if you think about it. What makes him think that? If that's all it took, wouldn't any raid of considerable size already done it? Just meatshield around someone and you're guaranteed to get someone up there. Clearly that can't be the end of it.
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2012-12-02, 19:38 | Link #235 | |
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Many people do not care for Suguha's story and obviously nothing we say is going to change their minds. However, the disagreement stems from the assertion that somehow she could be written out of the story and that'd there be a negligible effect. That's simply untrue because this story has basically been all Suguha, not just how Kirito saves damsel in distress Asuna from the evil clutches of Suguo. What gives this arc its weight is Suguha's story more so than Kirito's, which isn't terribly interesting anyways. This is not to say that there isn't something to be said about the frustration of some viewers here. A lot of viewers came to like SAO because of Kirito x Asuna, which dominated a lot of the first arc, and this arc feels like a cheap way to deprive them of their relationship in the story we are seeing so far. In that sense, you could see Suguha's story as an unnecessary diversion if your only goal in this series is to watch Kirito and Asuna. I still do not think this holds much weight in the end though because the story has definitely been about more than just Kirito and Asuna's romance.
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2012-12-02, 19:48 | Link #236 |
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I think it seems like unnecessary diversions because Kirito's ultimate goal in ALO is to save Asuna and Sugu seems to be distracting him from that goal. In SAO, the goal was to escape the game and over the course of that goal the story focused on Kirito's and Asuna's relationship (with asides for Lizbeth, Silica, Sachi and others which is kind of like filler, but ultimately serve to develop Kirito as a character). Honestly, I don't really mind it, but I don't see why Sugu couldn't be written out. It just makes it a detoured grind toward Kirito's ultimate goal. Concentrating on Kirito's journey does not have to be one-dimensional either with effective writing. Sugu's part of the story just seems to be frills to what Kirito is trying to do.
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That her whole existantance in this arc was pointless and was only used to waste episodes on forced drama. Quote:
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He/she would obviously be introduced at the beginning of this arc, but without the baggage of this fiasoc of forced drama. Quote:
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There are couple of other posts that also explain what I'm trying to say. For example Vsin or from Klashikari: Spoiler for Vsin:
This thread has 12 pages and everything that had to be said was said a couple of times already. For me, this arguing for arguing sake is just as pointless like this Suguha story thing. It's tiring, it doesn't go anywhere and I have no intention to continue with this debate. So lets move on from it. It has ended anyway. |
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2012-12-02, 19:58 | Link #240 |
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Why can't it be? Side characters can serve as one time stories that develop Kirito and his story without becoming the new focus of the story. Honestly, having two focuses (unless really well written) can just serve to bog down the other focus. Then we just have two muddled through stories.
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