2012-12-10, 13:19 | Link #5422 | ||
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"For the undisputed premier Hime-Miko, Seishuuin Ena, Erica was her first true opponent. Most likely, they will continue being rivals for the rest of their lives. In the past, Ena did not sense Erica holding back on a hidden trump card. Purely in terms of dormant potential, even the prodigy Erica could not match a user of divine possession. That was what Ena had always thought. However, what about now? And henceforth? Somehow, Ena's instincts were warning her. Back when Ama no Murakumo no Tsurugi was rampaging out of control at Chidorigafuchi, and also in the battle against the Great Sage Equaling Heaven, Erica had received Verethragna's protection, allowing her to face off against Ena and the Great Sage. "It is fine, Erica-san. Your new power , it should be a trump card that stands on equal ground with divine possession." from novel volume 9 chapter 6 from the novel you can see that the paladin spell(The spell words of smiting) is on the same ground on the divine possession in power they can be equal but the possession need help from a god but Erica power can be used by herself, so you may disagrees but in my point she is far stronger than the current Ena. just like i said above, Ena power depends on a god,but Erica can use her smiting now without anyone help,so she is stronger.. Last edited by m4rc0s; 2012-12-10 at 14:08. |
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2012-12-10, 16:12 | Link #5423 | |
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in my eyes Divine possesion is more effective compared to spell of Smiting. Ena can use Godou's divine power's as source and can use diffrent gods power as divine possesion owner. well that is just a theory from the way she used Ama no murakomo's divine power which is at Godou's possesion
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2012-12-10, 16:18 | Link #5424 | |
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2012-12-10, 20:54 | Link #5425 | |
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now let me start with the first fight (Erica x Ena) Ena was winning but was not so much stronger than Erica(the reason she lost so miserably was because the astral world made her use all her magic really fast, but yes she lost). about the time to conjure in the novel they say that the spell of smiting allow the user to chant the spell and fight simultaneously in this case defend against Ena . Erica can always run a little to make time to conjure the smiting and we dont even know that her really need a long time , in the volume 9 fight she start attacking without any plan because she was forced to leave the area to not involve Ena that was damaged by divine possession. and we know that Erica is good at creating plans just look at the volume 1 against athena.(ps: hide and wait a opportunity to give the finishing blow is also a plan) now i am saying that Erica is stronger than Ena and her divine possesion (susano) in the battle you can see that she always use de susano possession if you insist that she use Ama no murakomo (godou authority) is fair to let Erica use the youth (that is one of godou authority). i will not even start with the problems that divine possession has because in theory she can become even a god in power level (and die ,lol). and to finish i think the same as you divine possesion is far more strong than smiting(and alot more troublesome too) but what i am saying is that Erica is stronger than Ena and not that the Divine possesion is weaker than smiting. "It is fine, Erica-san. Your new power , it should be a trump card that stands on equal ground with divine possession." volume 9 chapter 6 is Yuri who said, not me i am just saying that the current Erica can win against the current Ena in a fair fight and by fair fight i mean that is ERICA X ENA(+ susano ) not Erica x Ena(susano)+ godou(Ama no murakomo) because like i said above if she use her divine possesion + godou to be fair we must let Erica use the youth . and without the youth Ena can not use the godou possession what do she does with Ama no murakomo is not divine possession she just let the sword move her body , all the divinity is comming from susano. |
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2012-12-10, 22:03 | Link #5426 |
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This argument is getting ridicules about who is stronger. M4rc0s you made excellent points, but so have erdii. In context in the story, nevertheless Erica's power come solely from Magical power while Ena's divine possession is a divinity power. It has been noted that Divinity comes from Gods and Divine beasts, Campiones wield divinity power as well. Divinity outclasses Magical powers no matter which tier of magical power it is, as it stands Ena is currently stronger than the Knights and Prodigies of the Copper Black Cross and Bronze Black Cross. Also on your quote you missed "Your new power — as long as it can be controlled well, it should be a trump card that stands on equal ground with divine possession." Erica and Liliana are known to be strong and knows that Ena is ranked as what is called a Paladino, Saint Raffaello, Erica's uncle Paolo Blandelli, and Black Prince's Sir Iceman are the only one ranks with that class thus far. Erica and Liliana still lack the control of those three while Ena in her Divine state can fight on par with one of those in a one on one battle. Ena's limitation is not her being unable to control her Divine possession, but is her human body limitation which seems to be lessening as the story goes on base off spoilers.
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2012-12-10, 22:46 | Link #5427 | |
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Ena's power is so strong that it make her weak. is not that Erica is stronger is just that she would win. i hope you understand my view because most of time(99.99%) is really hard to me write in english because i am teaching myself and not always the thing i want to say is said correct. and i will accept you sugestion and stop this argument . |
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2012-12-10, 23:10 | Link #5428 | |
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2012-12-11, 00:26 | Link #5429 |
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Erica and Liliana are not completely equal in each stats for example Erica is excellent in the spell of Smithing however she doesn't have a witch disposition unlike Liliana and that what makes them equal. It is like they both have a disadvantage and advantage with each other so if they were to be put together and they will look equal.
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2012-12-12, 00:35 | Link #5431 |
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I have a question about whether Godou has gotten any new authorities aside from ones he first got from God of Victory. I get that in the fights with Athena(let her go), Perseus(survived then killed by Doni), and Sun Wukong(Only died because had two campiones helping) he didn't get authorities from those. But what of other gods where he won of his own strength, like with Lancelot?
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2012-12-12, 03:51 | Link #5434 | |
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He would have gotten the authority of Lancelot as well but the authority got stolen by Guinevere as well. The King of the End will probably have all the stolen authorities and after he defeats him he will get them back but this will probably be the end of the story. And in Vol 13 Spoiler for Vol 13:
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2012-12-12, 08:45 | Link #5435 | |
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2012-12-12, 13:35 | Link #5437 |
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Yay, zzhk's finished V11C3! Yay, thanks zzhk!
So, I remain continually annoyed by the author's "messing" with his own "universe" and "system" in such obvious ways. I know he's trying to avoid power creep, but he could do it in a less obvious fashion .. on top of that, he's clearly going against precedents that he set for himself. Melqart knocks Godou "dead" .. but he's not dead and it's still somehow a draw? He doesn't get an authority? Floating ectoplasm? Seriously? Outlook is uncertain |
2012-12-12, 13:44 | Link #5438 | |
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I know Godou already has ten forms he can use in battle and with the Ama no Murakumo he can use a variation of each of those (love everyone of them, can't wait to see what will happen when he uses the variant form of the White Stallion), but by now he should have gained at least another authority. The only thing I see now is the fact that Athenas gift to him is an extremely powerfull authoriry wich will take some more maturation of his own powers to use but still.....not even Insane Rush?? And half a Authoriry from a God willing to give it to him as she is about to be defeated? Athenas gift better be amazing, is all I'm saying. P.S: awsome first use of the White Stallion but seriously? Ectoplasm that could give a final attack? Screw you plot!
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2012-12-12, 13:52 | Link #5439 |
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Yeah, again I understand not wanting power creep .. heck, my gripe isn't with Godou not getting powers or authorities. I just want the story and plot to remain consistent and believable. I know I know, fiction, fantasy story, suspend disbelief .. blah blah ..
My issue thought process is this: "No matter what crazy rules, setting, etc. you come up with to start .. as long as you remain consistent I'm good. If you don't .. " Reply hazy, ask again later |
2012-12-12, 13:59 | Link #5440 | |
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It's consistent on that part. Then again all of the Campiones look like unbeatble badasses and 1 grand schemer (Alec of course), that anymore authorities would make them OP in some aspects.... Then again, they do have to battle Gods and other Campiones on regular basis so being OP is just going to be a little help on the battles... I love a story were being OP and God-like is just basic for the characters.
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