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2013-02-15, 10:02 | Link #2984 |
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It's ironic that Achiga haters sometime call Shizu a monkey, because what monkey does best other than banana is climbing.
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2013-02-15, 10:33 | Link #2985 | |
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Harue: The dice...what did she roll? Yue: Uhm, according to the wall, it's two from the right. Harue: Snake eyes!! That's good. Now we'll see if Shizu can stand up to Oohoshi Awai! The important question is: How does dice related with Shizu ability? Spoiler for Dice ability:
And about Shizu ability: 1) Disabling abilities --> no brainer there! We can all agree this is Shizu ability she show so far... Although the mechanic is still in question 2) Preventing them from drawing winning tiles --> A good idea! This is the answer of how Shizu "disable" Awai ability. And this explain why Awai could still get double riichi but doesn't win. It's only negating her draw! 3) Never dealing into their hands --> A most questionable ability so far. Maybe Shizu never dealing because Awai sucks at defense and prefer ron to tsumo?
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2013-02-15, 10:57 | Link #2986 |
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Shizu seems to read other people hand very well. She may know when will Awai ron someone but she still need to read Awai's hand to avoid it.
She also didn't deal into any Ryuuka and Himeko hand. Ryuuka and Himeko have no reason to not try to ron Shizu during the game - Don't forget that.
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2013-02-15, 12:35 | Link #2988 |
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Anyone here plays mahjong or has some basic mahjong knowledge?
Because you guys seem to forget that the undrawn tiles are called "mountain". Some abilities has something to do with puns, like with Seiko, being called a fisherman, is because she can fish "call" out tile from the pond "discard pile" Do you know the purpose of the dice? I have no idea since I play online mahjong but here's a bit of tidbit: Dice roll by the dealer at the beginning of each round determines not only which wall to start taking tiles from, but how far along the break from the wall starts. If the dice roll 5, 9, 13, or 17, then cut the dealer's wall. 2, 6, 10, 14, and 18 cut South's wall, 3, 7, 11, 15 cut West's wall, and 4, 8, 12, and 16 cut North's. Then, count the wall, stack by stack, from right to left until you reach the number rolled. Cut the wall to the left of that stack. Basically, it means that Shizu's ability has something to do with the mountains. Though, I kinda like the theory of Shizu having an AoE effect of not having any tsumos at all. It's a spectacular ability since it lowers your opponent's score, even by a little. It's like a debuff and (on certain occasions) attacking move since a closed tsumo is a yaku by itself. Anyways, I stopped caring about who'll be going into the finals with Shiraitodai now. I just don't want Shizu to stop Shindouji's counted yakuman since it will be too tragic. Shindouji is basically in last place for all 5 matches and if you guys remember, Shindouji is a school that consistently do badly in the finals. I think it's been hinted that ever since they changed their lineup from weakest to strongest, the semi-finals is the highest round that they have ever been in. So it would be too tragic for Shizu to break Himeko's key. See Himeko's expression here? Too tragic. She shouldn't be the next Kana since she's a pseudo-monster herself! Spoiler:
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2013-02-15, 12:56 | Link #2990 |
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Warning : This is a rant, if you're too lazy to read it, just read the conclusion at the bottom.
Shizu played into someone on the previous game, so I don't think she can read someone's hand. That and when Awai ron Himeko, Shizu look at Awai's hand and think something along the line of "Had I play that tile I would be ron-ed" which seriously implies that she didn't know Awai's hand. (So Shizu having the ability to read someones hand theory is OUT!) In double riichi mode, Awaii can't tsumo, her ability is double riichi -> kan -> ron -> kan ura dora 4. Since Ryuuka and Himeko doesn't have a Harue™ they insist of completing their hand after Awai kan (thus getting ronned) while Shizu as per Harue™ 's advice, play 100% safe tile. Ryuuka and Himeko doesn't have reason not to ron Shizu, but they do have reason to ron Awai, that and I believe Awaii is almost 100% attack, 0% def (which means that Shizu have better defense then her) I'm neutral on Shizu her self, but I dislike if people portray her as a monster T_T True she does have the ability to negate other's, but that seriously doesn't make her a monster, on that table she is totally ignored T.T Awai is totally into Himeko. Himeko is "I'll prove that our combo is the strongest!". Ryuuka is trying hard to not let her lover down. Shizu is sitting there watching people ron-ing each other. Hell even after Awai getting ron by Shizu, she only stay worried about Shizu for 1 turn only, and she's like "Hm? My ability is fine, so that's just me slipping a bit" and goes back obsessing over Himeko It's like a supposedly 4 person battle royale in the Colosseum , but it turns out that the other 3 fighter is too absorbed into each other that Shizu just sit in the corner and watch as the battle unfold. Conclusion : 1) I'm not a hater, and I don't mind Shizu-fans being happy that Shizu got *awesome* power, but her being a monster? Nu uh, she's far from that title dearie. 2) When Achiga win ("when" not "if" because of plot armor), it is 30% because of Shizu's power, and 70% her "I'm not important enough to get attention from the other 3 monsters so they go attack between them self and left me and my points alone" Edit : The dice are for 2 things: 1) Dealer rolls the dice. Count counterclockwise from dealer. This determines which wall will be broken. 2) Count from player's right the same number of tiles as dice roll. This determines where to break the wall. http://www.japanesemahjong.com/reach...break_wall.htm <-- go here for a visual |
2013-02-15, 13:19 | Link #2992 |
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I didn't say Shizu can read someone hand "perfectly" but "very good". Even with [I'm not important enough to get attention from the other 3 monsters so they go attack between them self and left me and my points alone"] she can still getting ron , and the fact that she only dealed into someone hand only one time for entire game means she's good at reading other player hand. Well, unless you are saying that Shizu is being forgotten to the point that other 3 players will forget to ron her when she discards the tile they want...... With that, if Shizu can protect her point, wait other monsters to kill each other and manage to find a chance to counter attack once and win as 2nd - It means she wins because her good defensive skill and sneaky tactic. Not because no one care about her.
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"Flow" in mahjong is real, btw. That's what I take of it anyways. I have no idea, and like I said, it's not really used in online mahjong. I'm guessing in real life, it helps the tiles to be more shuffled. An automatic mahjong table is expensive so when playing mahjong in real life, you shuffle it manually. Haha, I guess it also prevents cheating! |
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2013-02-15, 14:44 | Link #2994 | |
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Hmm... since you didn't specify for whom your comment is, I'm going to be narcissistic and assume that your comment is for my post, but you didn't specify what exactly do you mean, I'm going to say that I love your profile picture (unrelated? I know~).
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2013-02-15, 15:13 | Link #2995 |
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As sad as it may sound, I think Shindouji's counted Yakuman had to be broken, if Achiga is going to the final. So far, the series is consistent that whoever to go thru "deserve" to go through. Shizu ron from the no name school on the previous round; Saki breaking Kasumi and Toyone; Kyouko breaks Kasumi...etc. In practice Shizu don't need to break anything (Awai keeps on ronning against Ryuka and Himeko, Himeko counted Yakuman direct hit on Awai, that will bring the points of Himeko down to around Shizu, Shizu wins a small hand and able to advance). But that will just give Achiga hater even more firepower to hate Achiga.
Just an interesting note on Mahjong and dice: it is noted that in manual shuffling, if you want to learn how to cheat, the first lesson is learn is how to roll either north or east, so you can cut the wall in front of you, which of course you can manipulate if you are a pro-cheater. So if you play Mahjong with someone and that someone consistent roll either north or east, that person may be cheating!
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2013-02-15, 19:36 | Link #2997 | |
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Hi again,
just wanted to point out that a DECENT translation of Achiga-hen ch19 is out (no Daxing Dan): http://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/sa...of_side_a_ch19 ;-------------------------------- From this new translation: (Page 76) Coach Harue: "Shizu... Those three players... can you climb their mountains?" Coach Harue: "Have you made your way through to the furthest spot?" (Page 78) Shizu (standing at the furthest spot): "I can see it all!" In other words, Shizu has "climbed the mountains" (mastered/understood the playstyles) of her opponents all the way to "the furthest spot" and can now "see it all". Shizuno is about to become a monster and this semi-final is going to end in a massacre. ;-------------------------------- Also, I am totally confused as to why some people can't accept the idea of Shizu as a monter mahjong player. For example: Quote:
I thought Shizu being a Saki-level monster was always a given. Just look at the logo for the Achiga-hen anime: (How can that shadow not be a monster player?) Everything in the series points to Shizu being a monster: 1) She is the main character and focus of Achiga-hen (look at image above). How many animes/mangas have you seen where everyone EXCEPT the main character is awesome? 2) Koromo warnings about Shizuno. Kuromo knows how strong Saki is better than anyone, would she really bother mentioning Shizu unless she was something trully special? 3) Coach Harue decision to place Shizu last in the team order and her complete confidence in Shizu despite her opponents ridiculous powers. ... If Shizu isn't a monster that can give Saki a run for her money, then what was the point of Achiga-hen? Sixteen episodes and twenty manga chapters to introduce an opponent Saki wipes the floor with in finals? Why base an entire side-arc around a player who turns out to lame and pathetic? This makes absolutely no sense. Last edited by cedec0; 2013-02-15 at 20:30. |
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However, Shindouji does have a realistic chance to make it to the finals. Achita is the only school that I think has a guarranteed ticket to the finals at this point. Shiraitodai losing is very realistic for two reasons: 1) It would be a very interesting plot twist which I is why I can see it happening (the Saki VS Teru will happen in the individuals anyway) 2) All of Shiraitodai's players have had their abilities throughly explored and then defeated: A) Teru's rampage was stopped B) Sumire's "Piercing Arrows" were defeated C) Shibuya Takami's ability wasn't interesting enough to be worth seing again D) Matano Seiko was completely dominated E) Oohoshi Awai has already had her ability defeated by all three of her opponents. So I'd say the odds of Shiraitodai making the finals are less than 50% at this point. ;-------------------------------- Quote:
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