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The first battle never goes well for the heroes. During the first encounter in As, both Nanoha and Fate get their weapons destroyed and Nanoha gets hospitalized. If the heroes always won, there'd be no chance for growth. (And Signum got pwnt in Force) If Signum won, then it's not Force anymore
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I'm giving options instead of closing my mind to the fact that "Oh noes! my sword is broken and she can cancel attack spells ...surely my only option is to charge directly against her and pry for the better" ....come on it's basic common sense xDU Quote:
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You're saying it as if it were a bad thing xD
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2013-02-21, 02:33 | Link #3043 |
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The first battle never goes well for the heroes. During the first encounter in As, both Nanoha and Fate get their weapons destroyed and Nanoha gets hospitalized. If the heroes always won, there'd be no chance for growth. (And Signum got pwnt in Force)
And a rock is not harder than Laevantine. Even if she did use rocks, the fact that Laevantine got damaged is the proof what Rising Dragon said: She wouldn't have won, even with a burning tree, or an exploding rock or swinging a burning Touma, or swinging Laevantine.
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2013-02-21, 02:36 | Link #3044 | |
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And i didn't even talking about a victory here ...i'm talking about survival xD
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2013-02-21, 02:38 | Link #3045 | |
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As for Signum's growth? Give it 15 more chapters XD
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What does and doesn't sound good on paper ultimately doesn't matter--it doesn't change the fact that there was no chance of winning. Quote:
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So the point remains. Signum's lack of AEC Armaments means she wasn't going to fucking win. So again. End of fucking story. Quote:
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2013-02-21, 02:59 | Link #3049 | ||||||
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But everything propossed is stuff Signum is perfectly capable to do as long as she avoids doing the foolish, foolsih thing she did at the end of that fight. Quote:
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All of our other argument had become redundant and all comes down to those questions I think it does, and mind you, i'm not the only one (probably just the only one crazy enough to openly talk about it xD) ...but well, i'll rest my case here since i'm not receiving convincing arguments, just complaining. Pretty shameful considering Signum is a former Boss-level character herself xDU
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2013-02-21, 04:37 | Link #3052 | |||||
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Fire has the advantage of always being a highly damaging spell by virtue of being... well... fire. Yes, this comes with drawbacks, but then ice and wind have the drawback of not being dangerous until sufficient quantities are used. Also, ice user against fire user. Do tell me who's most likely to come out on top. How? By running? Cypha has no reason to stay. Quote:
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2013-02-21, 05:06 | Link #3053 | ||||||
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First off, i thank you Keroko for bringing some order here xD
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On a straight match Fire has an edge, on a battle against skilled elemental users Ice can be pretty dangerous, swift disposition of walls, weapons, and big solid structures can protect the user effectively against flames. Unless the heat of those reach near-lava levels the user will be also vulnerable to throwing ice spikes and the like. Playing hit and run with her maybe? You know attacking her but dissapearing before she can counter attack and then tease her a bit. Cypha totally looks like the type of villain who likes to talk a lot and gloat over her abilities. Heck, even prolonging the chat between the two will suffice. But then again, Signum seems to have awakened with a "less talk, more slash" mentality that morning xDU. It's true Signum attempted to capture Cypha at first but she should have changed strategies once such task proven to be beyond her capabilities. She's not (as much as it pains me to admit) a knight anymore, she's an officer, if an officer can't handle a situation they retire until a way to do that comes out. She took bad desicions and the criminal got away with their goals anyway so in the end she got nearly killed for nothing. Quote:
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I know but that's not the point. Just like the Hucks can cancel weight of a magical construct (an ice mountain being put togheter entirely by magic for example), i bet they can't cancel shockwaves provoked by explosions (unless those are Hollywood explosions that somehow doesn't provoke any shocckwaves at all until the plot request xDU). Otherwise i'm still expecting to know how Agito got to block Tohma's Silver Hammer o_oU Quote:
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Once they received their upgrades they took the Wolks by surprise on round 1, then during round two Vita had no interest in fighting Nanoha so she fleed the scene. By StrikerS there's no doubt Nanoha is the stronger of the two ...Vita is still a stron girl but, like Signum, has started to be left behind by the flow of time and the quick progress of the other characters.
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2013-02-21, 06:04 | Link #3054 |
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Actually, Aki, at the start of A's, Nanoha was AS strong as Vita.
Vita wasn't able to do much to Nanoha and Nanoha wasn't able to do much to Vita, until Vita popped a cartridge to boost her abilities. So, Aki, about this whole "Signum lost, therefore is weak" argument... SHOVE IT! Or would you like me to point out that EVERYONE has lost in this series. Nanoha lost to Fate several times, she lost to Vita, and she forced a draw with Signum. By your stupid logic, if Nanoha can't flat-out beat Signum, and she was using Blaster 1 there, then Nanoha must be weak as well. If, according to you, Signum is weak, then Nanoha is weak as well.
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Ice casters? Surround them with fire. See if they can cast while choking due to lack of oxygen. Also, skilled fire users can manipulate the shape, making it a whip or a small beam. Not to mention that due to the environment, usually fire is stronger due to abundance of oxygen while ice is a lot weaker due to high temperature. (Unless they're fighting on a sub-zero world) Quote:
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Also, fire can maintain constant attacks far easier than ice can. Fire has pro's and cons, Aki. Not just cons. You have a habit of looking at the pro's of everything else, but only looking at the cons of anything relating to Signum. Quote:
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Curren also wasn't as interested in killing RF6 as much as Cypha was. Otherwise she would've stabbed Hayate through the heart rather than the side. Quote:
That doesn't even make sense! Nanoha was defeated by Vita because Vita had the equipment advantage. That's all there is to it. Once the equipment was leveled, Nanoha began trouncing Vita. Also, I don't know what A's you were watching, but Signum was trashing Fate. Quote:
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2013-02-21, 08:10 | Link #3057 |
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Is it? Laevatein is a Device, not a purely mundane item like a tree. I wouldn't be surprised if the Eclipse had a part to play by inflicting damage on Laevatein's magical component, something it wouldn't to a fully mundane object.
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2013-02-21, 08:57 | Link #3058 |
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Partially. Remember that Eclipse also toughens up the infected. Combine the two and you see why Laevateine shattered. The magic that powered it and was critical in making it more than just a sword vanished, thus a steel sword hit a body capable of resisting far greater attacks.
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2013-02-21, 09:15 | Link #3059 |
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Besides, wasn't it stated that Laevantein would work better in an AMF than any of Nanoha or Fate's abilities simply because it was a steel sword?
Was right there in the manga. So, either Laevantein is a steel sword that has magic to make it stronger, or it's a magic blade and it wouldn't work in AMF situations anyway. Cypha is just that tough. Signum chopped her arm off, Laevantein got cracked. Signum sliced Zest across his body and Laevantein was okay. Let's not forget that devices are broken once a season anyway. Season 1 - Bardiche and RH broke when clashing against each other over the Jewel Seed. A's - Graf Eisen befriended Raising Heart and Laevantein sliced Bardiche in half, cracked the axe-head and forced extensive repairs on it. StrikerS - Zest broke Gigant-form Graf Eisen using his full drive when he wasn't unisoned with Agito anymore. Raising Heart started to break apart when Nanoha was doing Blaster 3 Starlight Breaker. Plus I think the manga has both Laevantein and Raising Heart breaking apart when Signum and Nanoha fought to that "inconclusive end" of their first fight. You know, the one where they've got torn clothes, cuts, bruises and blood flowing freely and the two most savage grins they ever showed, ever? Force - Laevantein gets broken by Cypha.
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2013-02-21, 12:40 | Link #3060 |
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Okay, I'm going to have to ask everyone to take a step back and breathe deeply and stop this silly circular argument. In fact, I'm going to start treating any more instances of said argument similar to a shipping argument and start deleting any I come across. It's high time to just move on...
This thread will be locked for a while and in the future, please report any post that brings this silly argument up and it will be dealt with. Last edited by CrowKenobi; 2013-02-21 at 14:25. |
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