2013-03-19, 15:48 | Link #21 | |
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He lasted 24 hours against the 1st and 2nd hokages and 8 other senju clan members on his own! I don't think that qualifies as "weak". |
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2013-03-19, 17:35 | Link #23 |
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The disappointing part was the fight of the 2 clan leaders, they were supposed to be really strong. Instead of kick ass fighing they were hiding behind their younger children and also trying to kill a child instead of fighing like a real man. Using some shitty kunai. I know it was not the purpose of this chapter to give more space and time to the two fathers, but i think making them look so weak was a mistake. Making them look complete assholes was ok, but if they were willing to sacrifice the life of their children so easily then why were their children so loyal to them. Also if they kept sacrificing their children then both clans should be extinct within 2 generations
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2013-03-19, 18:46 | Link #25 |
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Wild theory. Hashirama knows of Tobirama's Edo Tensei technique and decides to sacrifice himself to revive Izuna. Madara agrees with this and they form Konoha.
But then something along the way either prevents or delays Hashirama's self-sacrifice and Madara thinks Hashirama was just lying and goes Kyuubi on him. |
2013-03-19, 20:16 | Link #28 |
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It was going well paced the last couple chapters, this one seemed rushed. I would have liked to see a bit more to this past before having another time-skip.
And the strange Sharingan part, I thought when he mentioned about his eyes being stronger to Hashirama, he had already awakened the Sharingan... |
2013-03-19, 22:46 | Link #32 |
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I was referring to the awakening of the EMS in the last fight they had in this chapter... Although I can't assert that I read this manga attentively, I did recall that it was canonically stated that Uchiha with EMS are stronger than Senju with their "love". It's quite likely I am wrong and just is misled by some impressionable text. Since Madara's sibling died already, I thought the fights would begin to become more balanced or evening giving Madara a temporary upperhand and not single sided like it currently is in the flashback. It only feels odd because the source of Senju's prowess is never really explained - like he is just that strong while Madara's power is proportional to his angst which is always increasing. It isn't even a rivalry, Senju never even lost to Madara at anything.
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2013-03-19, 22:52 | Link #33 | |
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The truth is though this is what real ninja fighting is about aside from the ridiculous god like fights we see in the present. This fight represents how the clans fought each other throughout history. In fact I dare say this is how MOST ninja fights are even today aside from the 'named' characters in the show.
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2013-03-19, 22:53 | Link #34 | |
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About the whole Hashirama sacrifices himself and then gets brought back to life theory, while it is possible, I don't think it's likely for the sole reason that When Madara fights Hashirama at the valley of the end, Hashirama's eyes aren't those of a person revived by edo tensei.
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2013-03-20, 01:04 | Link #36 |
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why the kishi have to go and give tobirama, hiraishin?? now im all like OOOOO!!!:
- minato and naruto are descended from the second hokage! - he mention the second during his fight with masked man! - waves (namikaze) and water style! - minato couldnt figure out how to make a water rasengan! young madara is silly."the blood of my brothers are on senju hands." hashi is like, "the uchiha killed itama, and scarface-ama. whats your point" i like james0246 and itachisan314 thoughts about edo tensei. though, i think tobirama will invent the jutsu and offer it as a substitute for madara's request
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2013-03-20, 06:38 | Link #39 | |
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LOL, I caught that too. Tobirama was using Minato's hiraishin?? which means Minato did not create the Jutsu after all. |
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2013-03-20, 08:29 | Link #40 | |
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this is obviously my opinion, but i think tsunade is grossly underestimated...i know there have be several discussions about how not great she is, but there is something to be said about a chick who can constantly heal herself AND is more powerful than the raikage...its like she's the first kenpachi
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