2013-04-04, 23:20 | Link #81 | |
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as far as the move goes, how is using a clone to backstab someone any worse than shoving an atom bomb in their face? it was just the last of a series of moves in a fight where hashirama had given up hope on his best friend. something naruto will never do. and for that matter, sasuke had the same option to kill off naruto at the VotE and he didn't take it. in that specific sense, he's actually more noble than this older hashirama we just saw 'kill' madara I'm not saying it's a certainty, but it is a possibility. jiraiya did exactly what you are saying has never happened when he fought pain. he literally died and then willed himself back to life |
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How Hashirama won was not cowardly lol...
You said you would prefer him to show madara it was a wood clone then charge at him head on? That would be completely retarded. Why bother with the clone in the first place if you're going to do that? You seem upset hashi beat him with his mind rather then his power, i personally don't have a problem with it. Hashi already proved himself to be superior to madara in every way, before this flashback hashi and madara and senju and uchiha were considered equals. But now it's been made clear hashirama and the senju were the only number 1, and the uchiha were number 2. As far as the sword through the back, i think that is being used to signify the difference between hashi and naruto. In order to protect his dream hashi will be ruthless and let no one threaten, and naruto is more idealistic and uses talk no jutsu. |
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It's interesting that when Kishi had Naruto say he'll surpass the previous hokages, he didn't mean just in power, but in thinking to. Hashirama was in the same position Naruto will be. Remember when Itachi asked Naruto what he'll do when/if Sasuke attacks village. Will he kill him to protect the village or let him do it. Naruto himself told Sasuke that he'll find the third options. And option Hashirama never found, since he killed Madara. This is where Naruto will surpass Hashirama, he'll do what Hashirama was unable to do.
Could it be possible that Kishi never intended for Naruto to surpass previous hokages in power. And that when he had Naruto say, he'll surpass them was just in thinking, and not in actual power? I think this would be an interesting twist. People saying what Hasirama did was cowardly, but actually it wasn't. That is what true ninja do, deception is their weapon. That move reminded me about Zabuza, and how a true ninja should act. It's certainly more ninja way, then having monster fights.
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as for an explanation, in this story there are souls. we see them in all the edo-tensei zombies. therefore jiraiya still had a soul after death and his soul would have been what willed his body back to life. it's not explained in that detail, but i dont see any other way of it happening |
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2013-04-05, 03:46 | Link #87 |
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"Pain has control over life and death" is something he proclaimed to himself. He's not actually a God who controls life and death.
What's more reasonable, this whole vague soul theory or Pain simply making a mistake? He does make them, you know.
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Did you guys forget that most of Konoha died and then came back to life? I mean seriously, arguing whether Jiraya was dead or not when you have a concrete example of people coming back from the dead is pretty...
This is a response to the original statement that "dead don't come back to life in Naruto".
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So no coming back to life is not that common, especially without any sort of technique or assistance.
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2013-04-05, 06:22 | Link #92 |
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What does it matter how they come back to life? If someone is dead they should stay dead. Death has been cheapened enough in Naruto. I'm still dreading the fact that Obito will go all Pain on us and bring everyone back to life with his rinnegan.
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2013-04-05, 06:24 | Link #93 |
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Or he might use it on Madara after all and the world will be fighting a Jyuubi jinchuuriki Madara. You don't know how far the story is going to go. And I really don't see Obito redeeming himself now, even though it seems like something Kishi would do.
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So... The chapter this week was nice finally we end the flashback and go back to action. I Been looking around on the web it seem as if the edo madara vs edo hashi topic is coming back, two things just pass my mind. One, being Edo doesn't seem to be an advantage to madara instead he seems frustrated that it was the method to get him back to life. Second, would the senju cells he carries interact if hashi is around I mean when naruto used natural chakra they turn into trees would they same happen to madara's body?
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And no I don't think Hashirama's cells will turn against him.
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I gave it a good chance a few chapters ago, but now it's about 0% chance. The story that Itachi said was a lie, Izuna died as a kid in a battle, he had no important part in the main plot of the flashback. If he came back as a kid he would have no connection to the story, also a kid can't even understand what's going on. And on top of that the battlefield will be already very overcrowded when the 4 kages and Sasuke's team join the war, no need for anyone else there. With all those people there i will really praise Kishimoto if he can arrange things in a way where every character gets a bit of spotlight but that does not break the flow of the story.
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The rule can be a hint that those who died in these 2 days (amost the whole army of 80,000 ninja) of the war will be resurrected in the end. Another hint in my opinion is that Kishimoto never really emphasized the insane amount of deaths in just 2 days, not even the attack on konoha was so bloody and ruthless. Last edited by Ero-Senn1n; 2013-04-05 at 11:33. |
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Pain is the one who called himself a God. That statement is about worth as much as saying he can control life and death, which is not much.
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If Kishi has Hashirama and Madara engage in a boring fanservice zombie fight, he risks turning the manga into "The Legend of Hashirama Senju and Madara Uchiha" as it nears its end rather than "Naruto Uzumaki and his ninja pals save the world." He takes away from the main character and his conflict. Never mind what you do with an immortal Minato, Tobirama, and Hiruzen. Pure overkill. That is why the Hokages and Hashirama's role should end when Sasuke decides his fate and leaves for the battlefield. I am sure Kishi has a way to bring their closure. The fight is about the living ninja world uniting to fight evil and returning the past to the past so they can build a brighter future. The Hokages represent part of that failed past and have no place in this fight. They have to leave it to the current generation. That is the whole theme of Naruto. |
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