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Perfect 10 | 16 | 34.04% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 13 | 27.66% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 6 | 12.77% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 8 | 17.02% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 3 | 6.38% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 2.13% | |
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2014-01-01, 11:32 | Link #82 | |
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LB has a happy ending, but takes quite some unbelievable actions to deliver it, like what DragoonKain3 said. The transition is a lot better than how it was done in CLANNAD, but still... In this aspect I think Kanon's happy ending bugs me the least. I still like Air's ending the most out of Key animes. It isn't outright happy, but good in many senses.
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2014-01-01, 11:54 | Link #83 | |
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2. Proto likes it 1 ^ 2 : It's a good ending. To this day it bugs me to hell why ppl hold Kanon in such a high pedestal. Don't misunderstand me, it's great, i love it, but it does show that it' s the work of more inexperienced writers compared to Key's latter works.
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2014-01-01, 14:01 | Link #84 | |
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2014-01-01, 20:08 | Link #85 | |
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2014-01-01, 23:39 | Link #86 |
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can't say i was too happy with this ending.
i'm not a sucker for sad endings, heck i dont even like bittersweet endings but this one felt forced. I wanted to see Rin and Riki really cherish what Kyousuke and the others did for them and move on in life. I mean, Kyousuke's intent was to have the become strong individuals who could handle the harsh reality that all their friends died in the bus accident. For them to be saved felt cheesy and cheap to me. |
2014-01-02, 02:13 | Link #87 | |
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2014-01-02, 13:27 | Link #88 |
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Did Kyousuke cover Riki and Rin when the bus exploded or something? I can't offer any other explanation why he needed the most time to recover, while the other two seemed to have recovered fairly quickly.
The one thing that seemed a bit inconsistent to me was that they all survived the crash, when I thought they were all dead, especially since it was said – or at the very least strongly hinted at – that only Riki and Rin survived the crash and that Kyousuke was merely buying Riki and Rin time to get to a safe place before the bus would blow up. Overall, I liked Refrain, and it'll probably make me appreciate the first season more, now that I know what the whole secret is all about.
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2014-01-02, 13:42 | Link #89 | |
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2014-01-02, 14:23 | Link #90 | |
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Also, LB anime ending is the best out of the Key anime endings. At least it made some degree of consistency.
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2014-01-02, 14:39 | Link #91 | ||
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Key gets "sappy" extremely, extremely well. And some people love sappy stories more than anything else. I'm not saying that to praise or to criticize, just to make a basic observation. Speaking personally, I tend more towards sappy than I do "dark and cynical", so if anything, I'm complimenting Key here. If "sappy" is what you love best, then Key delivers that as well as anybody else in (or tied to) the anime industry, in my view. The fact that KyoAni portrayed it in lovely visuals with generally good, unified stories, just made it even better. But JC Staff just showed that KyoAni does not have a monopoly on lovely visuals and generally good, unified stories. Back when JC Staff doing LB! was first announced, the highly criticized anime-original content in Shakugan no Shana was still fresh in people's minds. And KyoAni's reputation for source material faithfulness was sterling, bolstered by the three Key/KyoAni anime themselves. ... My, how things have changed since then. One thing I like about the anime industry is that it can be strangely surprising sometimes. Quote:
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2014-01-02, 14:55 | Link #92 | |
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But incidentally this is when I started liking the series more since this narrative was able to do this with a straight face, and not the Mio kind. And Haruka may have ended as my favorite character in this because she embodies Key tendencies to be loud and annoying but also be very soulful and emotionally intense when the need is there. It's not gonna be the deepest or thought provoking stuff around, but having a vibrant soul is sometimes what matters more. In any case, where everything seems to be so cynically marketed, Little Busters as well as the other Key series may stand out. And yea, Shana series left quite a bit of a bad taste for some people especially with season 2, and also left us to think that JC Staff was only going to cast female leads that sound like Shana. (Actually if you tweak Rin's voice a little...)
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2014-01-02, 17:00 | Link #93 |
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This kinda reminds me of the whole Killer Instinct (game) debacle. Back when the game was announced to being developed by Double Helix Games everyone was in an uproar because this game developer was known for some fantastic games like:
G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra! Green Lantern: Rise of the Manhunters! Battleship! and the fantastically cringe worthy Silent Hill: Homecoming! Then the business model of "buy the fighters you want" was introduced and everyone raged about how stupid it was. Everyone cried about how this will ruin the legacy of the original Killer Instinct. The result? The game came out and it's one of the best (if not THE best) fighting games of the year with one of the fairest business models in the industry. I'm not saying the anime was, in my opinion, up to the standards of the VN but it certainly wasn't an embarrassment. JC Staff did much better than expected. |
2014-01-02, 23:29 | Link #95 |
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I have to admit that I'm disappointed. For one there were too many inner monologues in the last 2 episodes that made me go"Hurry up already! You don't have all day to save them!"
Secondly that explosion was not needed. Thirdly all that dramatic build up from before was for nothing and fully wasted. The ending really reminded of Mai HiME. Though Mai HiME still handled it better and irritated me less. When Kyouseke said that Riki and Rin are the only ones alive, I did take it as everyone else are already dead, not unconscious. And fourth... since Haruka's arc was my fave, I'm extremely disappointed with the fact that we didn't get a single scene with the sisters this season. Especially after the accident, like for example a scene in the hospital or something. Mai HiME at least gave some conclusion to characters stories while here "Yeh we all lived happy, THE END!" Even transition from sad to happy was handled there better while here "BAM! Explosion! And we lived happily ever after." Like really? It was really underwhelming and unemotional. Probably my least favourite ending out of all Key works. We also never found out who is that girl with an eye patch and why she has such strong influence on Kengo. I was disappointed so I checked and found some info from VN myself. Spoiler for info that was not revealed in anime:
I give this season 7 and even that is a bit too much. Very tempted to lower it till 6 And it could be such a nice final.
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2014-01-02, 23:53 | Link #96 | |
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It wasn't for nothing. They became strong enough to save everyone, which was more than what Kyousuke expected of them. The dramatic build-up was not wasted. I don't know how you thought that. Everyone was dead because of the explosion. It would be pretty hard to kill everyone just from a fall, unless the bus crushed their bodies. An explosion was fully needed, and is what killed them. Riki fell into his narcoleptic state and was unable to do anything to help when the bus exploded. They even went in to describe that was part of his weakness and due to what had happened in the world Kyousuke made he was able to overcome it. I think there should have been some casualties, but with everyone dead in the end it would have been such a sad game. Endings like that that are not well revived. But, you can be one of the people that think when the bus exploded they all really died and afterward is a dream. There is also Refrain which deals with Kanata, Haruka's sister. It would have been odd to have her in the ending placed in there like that. Haruka overcame her regrets in the dreamworld, not the real world. I do see how you are annoyed with Miyuki being ignored to shit. I was pretty mad to find out that she actually died. I really liked her a lot. Even in the novel nothing is mentioned afterward about her. |
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Why? How would that have been better than a truly happy ending with nicely non-conflicted feelings for viewers like me? Also, who would you have killed? I think if you're going for a happy ending, then make it a happy ending. Don't dilute it with needless casualties. So I disagree with you on this. There's nothing more overdone today than the bittersweet ending. I find it very refreshing to see an ending that's willing to be totally happy.
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...and why do you think it's wasted? From the outside it looks like a dramatic build-up with a complete happy ending that wasted the build-up, but why do you think Kyousuke went through all that 'Become stronger, Riki! Surpass me!" stuff? In the end, Kyousuke basically gave up on trying to get Riki to surpass him, and just simply believed that he should become strong enough to handle on his own to protect Rin since he was running out of time. That's why he told Riki to protect Rin no matter what happens afterwards. Forget Rin, Kyousuke never would've thought Riki would end up having enough courage to save everyone with Rin. Riki could've had a narcolepsy attack anytime so Kyousuke thought that it would've been impossible for Riki to save everyone. But look, Riki managed to fix the problem and source of his own narcolepsy all on his own hecause of the emotional strength he's gained from Kyousuke's help. With Rin's help, he saved everyone and surpassed Kyousuke without himself knowing. Kysousuke was surprised, as he even tells Riki how Riki finally surpassed him after accomplishing what would've been impossible possible. Quote:
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I don't think it lost imact though. Since Mio, Yuiko and Haruka remembers what went on in the dream world, that just means that Mio isn't going to use her umbrella anymore, Haruka will make up with her sister now (that has no knowledge of all this, but since it worked out in the dream world then it should also work out in the real world), Yuiko will have realized she has a place to belong to now as well as feeling a feel she's never felt before (aka love) + not having to worry about the limits of what you want, and Komari's memories of her brother is accepted. But think about Kud's situation, doesn't that mean that Kud's family is dead? I think it's kind of a half-half thing. That's why I don't think it lost impact. Since Kyousuke called it "the girl's regrets" then that just means it's past-tense for all the girl's situations. Kud can never go back to redo her regret since it's not something you could fix if given a second chance. Last edited by Magicflier; 2014-01-03 at 10:10. |
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2014-01-03, 11:49 | Link #99 |
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How exactly does this world make sense? Ok they created it through their sheer will, I can buy that. But what about the occupants? They have other students, terrorists, parents, hospitals and etc. How did all of this people get there?
If they were just part of imagination then it makes half of those arcs useless. Especially Haruka's whose arc was actually the best one with Kurugaya's second best. Every other was pretty meh. And now you are telling me that it barely played any role? No matter how I look at it, Little Busters is the weakest of Key works. It left a lot of things unanswered and whole build up and drama had very small to no impact at all on me in all those arcs. Every other Key work made me feel something but here it's just "Oh cool, problem solved. Whose next?" As I said, only Haruka's and Kurugaya's had some kind of impact on me as well as some small moment here and there like for example Kengo's breakdown when he saw Miyuki and yet we never got any info on her. Over all I would rate Little Busters as 6/10. Very weak considering that other Key works I rated at 8 and 9.
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2014-01-03, 12:14 | Link #100 | |
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If you want to question Key, start with Clannad's... Spoiler for end of Clannad After Story:
Kyousuke said that he took in specific girls who had regrets in their lives, and they simply helped Kyousuke create the world unconsciously. He got them involved into the plan, without their consent, hence Kyousuke saying the girls start to realize it was a dream world in episode 10. Kud realized a lot sooner than all the other girls because of her abnormal regret. They played a role simply because of that! They helped Kyousuke hold the world even if it's only for a big longer. Creating such a dream world alone is probably impossible. I think Kyousuke mentioned that he was able to create the dream world from the manifestation of the girl's regrets that he got involved. http://imgur.com/a/fSJLK Also please read this, it's complied by Vladz0r from MAL. It will also answer any of your questions regarding this. I just wanted to tell you that you have no right to call Little Busters the weakest of Key's work if you haven't played and compared any of their visual novels. It's the weakest adaption though. If you say "Key's work" then you are referring to the source of the anime adaptions, not the anime adaptions. Excluding Air, I played Kanon, Clannad, Little Busters EX, Tomoyo After, Kud Wafter and Rewrite; and I can say with confidence that Little Busters is the top Key work. You should also understand that this is my opinion, and that opinions differ. How you think that LB "is the weakest Key work" is your own opinion too, so don't make it sound as if your opinion is the biggest fact of the century. Despite it being a bad adaption, I still got emotionally moved and even teared up a total of 3 times in this whole series, I really connected with the character's circumstances. Too bad it didn't move me as far as how it did in the LB visual novel. Since it should be hard to even tear me up from anime or show in general, LB was the only Key work that actually made me cry; reason why I think of it so highly. I got moved more here with LB than with any other Key work, but Clannad's adaption portrayed it's emotions way better than Little Busters adaption. LB anime was horrid, yet people were still able to love it's anime without any knowledge of the visual novel. That's why this is a matter of how well your connecting with the characters. I know people like you who didn't feel much out of this, even felt everything was forced; but others did actually tear up from what I read, some of my friends cried from the anime (which is shocking...). Everyone has mixed feelings about the ending. Some where really happy it had a great ending for the cast they love so much, others preferred everyone dead to get rid of that "forced happiness" pulled out for the sake of a happy ending. In the end the series played with everyone's emotions and tricked the viewer as it ended up happy after a dramatic buildup. Could be a charm of LB's story? Maybe. So like I said, it's a matter of connecting with the characters. That just means you couldn't connect with the characters well enough. Though I know that doesn't change the fact that this was a horrible adaption and everything needed more buildup, it's still not as horrible as Kanon's or Angel Beats' adaptions. If you loved those more, then good for you. In my opinion LB's anime overtook Kanon and Angel Beats' adaptions. Last edited by Magicflier; 2014-01-03 at 12:50. Reason: Not needed to bring spoilers from other series. |
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