2016-04-30, 15:48 | Link #81 | |
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Why is Odin the exception? He doesn't look that much better then the rest. Super good stats or useful active?
Thanks to both of you for the tips on the skill buffs, and tip on going for manga for summons (feel better about them now). Didn't even occur to me that would refer to weapon auras. Quote:
Recently found out that apparently weapons that correspond to the character's weapon affinity give +20% more stats. Ugh. Yey for complications.
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2016-04-30, 15:57 | Link #82 | |||
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Furthermore, it is the only combination where having a off element character isn't that detrimental, but only for a dark team (using Ferry or Amira is enough to benefit from Odin's special effect in a dark team without gimping your overall team too much). Light team cannot exactly benefit from using a dark character to trigger Odin's special bonus because there isn't really any dark support character that can make up for the damage output loss. Double odin setup is actually more powerful than having a regular dark team with double Bahamut. Quote:
Grande setup are potentially stronger than monoelement thanks to the huge modifier and possibility of using very strong character combinations, but if your weapon setup doesn't give enough punch for your main character and the other char of the same element, you will perform worse than a monoelement team. Quote:
For instance, Fire shouldn't forsake Percival just because his affinity is Swords as a classic fire weapon setup would be filled with mainly Colossus staves.
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2016-04-30, 16:04 | Link #83 |
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Grande and Odin biggest trial is to grind their Unknown weapons (less severe on Odin).
And Unknown weapons can only be gotten from events right now, so it can be dead or alive on some elements. Since both of them boost your normal Multiplier, having none of the Unknown give you more severe drop in output as opposed to the same situation in Magna setup for instance. If you live with Grande, not only you need to grind one for each element...you need to have 5 sets ideally. Odin only need 3, and you are mostly using it for Dark so it's less severe excluding the fact there are only 2 kinds of dark Unknown and they had pretty low drop rate on their respective events (and I doubt they gonna recap/revive back the event of those later so it's probably a moot point) |
2016-04-30, 16:31 | Link #84 |
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Thanks for the explanation Klash. If I understand correctly, basically a strong support of the opposite color would be what's needed. So just sticking something like Narumaya in a light team would be no good.
Also thanks for pointing out that you still need mono-element even for grande and dual element summons. Figured the requirements would be just harder since I see a lot of weapons with dual element skills and skill with the same effect only apply once, but I guess that only applies to SSR weapons which are near impossible to limit break. What skills do you actually stick in a endgame pool? once you're done with the obvious: big atk boost, medium atk boost, big hp boost, medium hp boost. I assume small atk/hp boost is just ignored. - Sweat mother of god @Kirayuki, if you intended to scare the shit out of me when it comes to going for Odin or Grande, you did a really good job at it.
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2016-04-30, 16:34 | Link #85 |
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Grande is beginner friendly tho on the beginning, since you probably won't have enough char or weapons to fix out on mono-element.
That said, it's assuming if you can pull her from Gacha.... As time goes on, it's just generally a pretty decent sub summon for most people. |
2016-04-30, 16:57 | Link #86 | |
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Fire: 1 Main weapon, 5 Colossus Staves, 2 Unknown, 1 Suzaku Katana, 1 Bahamut Weapon (either the dagger or sword) Water: 1 Main Weapon, 5-6 Leviathan Daggers, 1-2 unknown (1 if you use 6 daggers), 1 bahamut weapon (either the dagger or gun), either a cosmos dagger or another Bahamut weapon. Earth: 1 Main Weapon, 6 Yggdrassil Swords, 2 Unknown OR 1 unknown 1 cosmos sword, 1 Bahamut Weapon (either the dagger or sword. Gun if full human team or with Arurumaya) Wind: 1 Main Weapon, 7 Tiamat guns, 1 Bahamut weapon (Gun if you don't use Korwa, Dagger otherwise), 1 cosmos gun or 1 unknown Light (reasonable version): 1 Main weapon, 5 Chevalier guns, 2 Chevalier swords, 1 Bahamut dagger, 1 Cosmos guns OR 1 unknown Light (full commitment): 1 Main weapon, 8 Chevalier Swords, 1 Cosmos Sword Dark: 1 Main Weapon, 3-4 Celeste Axe, 2-3 Celeste Claws (2 if 4 axes), 1 Bahamut weapon (Gun if full human, Sword otherwise), 1 Unknown, last weapon is up to preference. That's basically in a nutshell. Main weapons are generally guild war weapons of your choice for your job with the appropriate element of course.
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2016-04-30, 17:12 | Link #87 |
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Thanks. *saves link to post*
- Had to do a skill fate mission for one of my random Rs. Since the fate is stupid easy I figured might as well stick some of the new misfits in there to see what they do... turn 1, Lamretta incapacitates herself and is on the floor puking and Richard blesses the entire party with defense down (not sure how severe since dont think you can check the debuffs in detail). Fortunately my main character could just solo it. It's good that the game has a sense of humor.
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2016-04-30, 21:54 | Link #89 | |
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Even with Odin, breaking into mid 400000 atk is not hard. Just a lot of grind. And the final potential damage can be higher thanks to a lot of 背水 |
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2016-04-30, 22:05 | Link #91 |
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Err no, the nature of Odin's Char Up (and Grande) makes you require a balanced number of diff. multiplier in your weapon pool.
If you only win by a small amount with Odin, you are just better using full Dark team since you have to make up the cost of losing 1 member that is going as off-element. As of Dark itself, having full Celeste Claw is not that really decent in the first place. It's different from Tiamat where the Guns have far superior stat than the Fists, Celeste Claw have far inferior stats compared to the Axe. Ideally, you'd only insert 1 or 2 sets of it into Magna setup (less if you are using Bahamut). And if you are not using Magna, the effect of Guts is not that noticeable(moreso that is just small) And having Guts in your setup also depends on your playstyle. At the very least, I don't think Celeste Claw is good enough to get instant win over an Axe in your slot. It's a bit different story if you have Dark Gacha Spear too, since it's a diff. multiplier of Guts so their effects can be doubled if you insert both of them together and might be worth considering. But even Hades users only insert 2 of them at most, from what I have seen. Bahamut weapons can be stackable after upgrading to the 2nd stage (the purple colored version). You can also stack the purple version and the black version. In any case they only stack up to 50% on effect |
2016-04-30, 22:34 | Link #92 | |
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But if Bahamut weapon can be stacked. We can option a full Celeste Axe + 2 Bahamut Axe+ Cosmo Axe set for a constant 580000~ Atk, which is an option because of Dark Team's load of unknown characters. And the only human character that's absolutely irreplaceable is Vira with her mount. (Apollo isn't a must when using Vampee). |
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2016-05-01, 05:43 | Link #93 |
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Cosmos weapon for Dark isn't exactly a great option because the character types lineup is quite atrocious, so you will have to forfeit the stance skill effect unless you want that huge 40% HP penalty with AT stance.
Might worth it if you are using dark only, but aside of that, not so much. Also, you generally want a human or human/doraf dark team, as the only good unknown dark char is vampy. Cerberus is still trash, and Christmas Rosetta is a limited character that isn't exactly necessary anyway.
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2016-05-01, 14:47 | Link #94 |
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just making sure, but the SSR rates aren't any different if I do the single draw instead of the 10x draw, right?
I was thinking of just doing the single draws since I don't think I can get 3k crystals again before legfes is over... Also, how am I supposed to use co-op to get decent EXP for job leveling? Most of the time there's high-ranking people who join and I can't get enough points to get full benefits (uh-oh) I've also tried doing co-op with one of my dead rerolling accounts, and even the early stages take a little long to solo... |
2016-05-01, 14:55 | Link #95 |
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10x gacha pulls just have a guaranteed SR, which can be useful for a beginner.
Either you use your gems right now, or you just keep them for the next legend festa.
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2016-05-01, 15:24 | Link #96 |
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Personally I would rather wait for next legend festa and/or maybe use some of my crystals to get a stash or some more weapon slots (the extra 6 team slots were pretty useful too) rather then roll and get...... nothing.
Even when rolling 10x it's quite disappointing as is. If I recall my past disappointments, you can for example draw a SR weapon (no character) or some really useless SR summon. I drew SR +healing summon and nothing else in a 10x once, but at least it's SR.... who am I kidding orz
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2016-05-01, 18:41 | Link #97 | ||
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Also, those with a 5* are actually on par with average SSR chars (notably Soriz). Quote:
pure HP weapons are trash unless you have hard time surviving with Hard and Very Hard difficulty.
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2016-05-02, 03:40 | Link #98 | |
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Also... for some reason the game decided "hey here have 2000 crystals." Not a bad thing. Except for the fact that now I have to grind like a madman. [edit] And.... it ends as when I'm just missing 100 crystals. Damn you game.
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