2016-05-24, 01:44 | Link #1361 |
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Um, guys... All this talk about Goku being an awful husband and father...
Was I the only one who saw episode 17? Because seriously, Chichi in that episode was just absolutely the worst. "GOKU STOP TRYING TO DO WHAT YOU CLEARLY LOVE YOU HAVE TO GO GET A MENIAL JOB AND MAKE MONEY DESPITE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A HUNDRED MILLION LYING AROUND WHICH I'M GOING TO CLAIM THAT I'VE SOMEHOW ALREADY SPENT (Whether she actually did, or if she was just lying about it like she later revealed, that's still low) BECAUSE WHAT YOU WANT DOESN'T MATTER OH AND ALSO I'M GOING TO LOCK MYSELF IN A ROOM WITH GOHAN'S BABY BECAUSE HE CLEARLY IS UNSUITED TO TAKE CARE OF HER FURTHERMORE I'M GONNA COMPLETELY DISREGARD WHAT HE OR MR. SATAN WANT BECAUSE MY OPINION IS THE ONLY ONE THAT MATTERS!!!!" Yup. Clearly Goku is the bad one in this relationship.
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2016-05-24, 05:59 | Link #1362 |
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Lets just agree Goku still needs work on his skills as a father while Vegeta later on became a better dad, he and Bulma are rarely fights and has more romantic moments and family moments.
Either way a new enemy cloned Vegeta and took his powers?! Man talk about a loop hole here after the tournament, it's really power up that beats saiyans it's the ability of the said enemy.
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2016-05-24, 17:01 | Link #1363 | |
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An awesome wife = an awesome husband. Chichi on the other hand... was crap throughout Goku's entire life, that's why Goku's like what he is now... Remember, most things Goku learned is from Chichi... Goku is more or less a similar version of male Chichi, Chichi focuses on something (books, money, anti-battle) and always wants it to be her way, so... Goku follows, Goku focuses on battle and always wants to battle... Bulma on the other hand was able to use her gentleness and patience to nurture Vegeta (which we've seen flashbacks of), which in the end made Vegeta fall in love with her. And with that kindness, Vegeta isn't as bloodthirsty as he used to be, he doesn't want to end anyone's life instantly. (if anything, he still wants more battle too, but will still place Bulma as top priority) Man, this discussion of battle of the wives will never end huh.... lol |
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2016-05-24, 17:13 | Link #1364 | ||
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because she wanted goku to stop being so obsessed with "fighting" and somehow act more like a "normal husband" with a proper job instead of be a "forever slack" and based on how "goku eat like a monster" that money not gonna last for too many time, remember when they married and chichi get her father fortune and with some few years they get "poor", because goku "sayan hunger", another chichi is not the type to "leave they childrens" alone for selfish reasons, she is the one which keep asking for goku be a more close parent and even at the end she accept his selfishness. or you forget in the same episode she say which is fine have him train, what she do is obvious feel lonely and want he be with her, since this is not what he really like to do. most of the times she was opposed in the end she accepted all the goku selfishness, while she could not be the perfect wife she is not even close of "goku" levels" of bad father and husband.
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2016-05-24, 18:10 | Link #1365 | |
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2016-05-24, 19:47 | Link #1366 | |
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that is why i really wished goku never had married in first place because at last his "shounen mc over the top personality could be more bearable and sound less stupid than being a full aged man acting like a 8 years old which a crazy obssesion for fight which can make him bet "important things" which sometimes make him looks weird. for me in super so far made goku look less likeable while make vegita look much more likeable like they are trading personality, goku being the "reckless bad boy secondary character and vegita looking more like a "really mc" than goku, because he do what goku is forgeting to do which is care for his friends and family. really akira making for me goku really looks like a terrible mc in many aspects in super.
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2016-05-25, 11:32 | Link #1368 | |
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And then suddenly in Super/Battle of Gods he's some battle maniac who wants to fight the God of Destruction and other universe fighters and stuff while lamenting the idea of having to give up fighting to spend time with his granddaughter. What the hell happened, Goku? |
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2016-05-25, 16:04 | Link #1369 | |
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I personally feel like part of Toriyama's intentions for Super has been to bring the franchise back to it's comedic roots a little more. And to that end, we've seen an exaggeration of Goku's quirks and personality traits just for the sake of comedy and to make children laugh with little regard as to how that might make older fans feel. Unfortunately, for many fans who've grown accustomed to the more serious and mature Goku from the DBZ sagas, seeing Goku look and sound stupid and aloof so much isn't funny--it's just frustrating. I agree in that Super does make Goku look like he's regressed in maturity back to a child. But his inner battle-loving maniac was always there IMO. It's just that Super has done everything but keep it subtle. I personally don't like to take Goku's personality too seriously since I don't think Toriyama ever intended for us to do that. But in Goku's defense, if you really stop to think about it, his faults as a father and as an adult in general make sense when you can consider how he more or less grew up to take care of himself soon after infancy and didn't really have a strong influential father figure or family to learn basic family values from throughout his most impressionable years as a child. I think that's another reason I don't think too deeply about Goku's lack of care or attention towards his own children. Because he probably doesn't even know how important that is since from Goku's perspective, he grew up just fine without it. On another note, Vegeta was at least a little better off in this regard since he had a family he could remember before it was all taken away. So it's not all too surprising that he would be a better family man than Goku. |
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2016-05-25, 16:04 | Link #1370 |
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Also, during Cell saga, Goku gave Cell a senzu bean, so he's be at full strength again fighting Gohan, reasons being "so Cell won't feel too bad losing" and for Gohan to have a better battle. He explicitly gets called out for this later by Piccolo telling him that Gohan's not like him and doesn't enjoy fighting.
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2016-05-25, 21:46 | Link #1371 | ||
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another note if i'm not wrong goku had son-gohan(his grandfather in law) until he was like 6 or something like that when he turned in a big monkey and killed him leaving goky alone for like 2 years(if i'm not wrong goku start db with 8 years or was 10 then son gohan died while he was at 8, well he had his grandfather for like 6 to 8 years then was alone for 2 years then meet buma and expend with her like more 2 years then go living with master kami/riosh for like more 2 to 4 years when he reached 16 then goes to the tornament and in the end marry chichi(i'f i'm not wrong they married at 16 years old age) then with that in mind until now the time he was "alone" was much little to the time where he meet peoples and ended marrying someone (chichi). is a little hard for me to believe which just because of like 2 to at best 4 years really alone when between 8 to 10 to really make in a way which never gonna change. like i told i wold prefer if goku never matured and everyone stayed "young" many things could make more sense and he acting like a "little" kid could look less weird, because it's not like he need to be all serious and mature, you can still have your "inner child" when mature but when your inner child aways is you "main personality is weir specially when you are at like 40+ unless you are the cliche perv old guy but a mc like that is really hard to accept. whatever i really hope goku really improve and learn a little now, which he really feel bad for losing sight of pan, maybe now finally "he learn what the means of "guilt" and maybe also learn to not bet "his friends/family/world lifes in battles just because he want to battle someone strong, for me still hard to take what goky did in battle of gods compared with his previous incarnations which while also loved battle they not goes that "extreme" just for the sake of "battle".
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2016-05-26, 01:49 | Link #1373 | |
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Speaking of which, Picollo on the other hand, has been stated to be among the smartest characters in the series. So perhaps that's the main reason why he's been able to develop a more mature sense of care and responsibility towards those he values despite also not having a family growing up. One could also argue that those tendencies were also hidden somewhere deep within his nature since he's Namekian (and we see how peace loving and family oriented they are). But I digress. Goku didn't seem to learn the premise of basic family values until Chi-Chi started teaching it to him. And even then, it felt like Goku was (and still is) simply going through the motions. So if it seems like Goku is too stupid to develop the same emotional consideration and care towards his family that other characters like Picollo and Vegeta have, it may be because he probably IS that stupid due to a potent combination of both his dumb nature and his poor nurture. I think I'm going to stop here though. Because I really don't want to fall into the trap of giving this more thought than I'm sure Toriyama has given this. To him, the things Goku does and the way he acts, probably is all for the lulz To you and anyone else who may still disagree with me, that's fine. I won't rebuttal the matter any further. |
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2016-05-26, 01:51 | Link #1374 | |
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2016-05-26, 07:44 | Link #1375 | |
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The biggest example of his fight-loving nature to me was staying dead after the Cell arc. He preferred to abandon his family and two young sons so he could train for the rest of eternity. |
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2016-05-26, 08:45 | Link #1376 |
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Um did he even know goten even existed at the time that happened, because i don't hink he was ever brought up till high school gohan arc, you can say he abandon his teenage son and wife, but i don't think you can say he abandon both goten and gohan, and besides didn't the earth dragon say it wasn't possible for him to bring goku back because he already revived him once
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2016-05-26, 09:10 | Link #1377 | |
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since cell saga goku started to looked like his love for battle become a obssession over it to the point of make crazy choices(like giving a fruit to cell, making a endless fight with freeza he clear have the power to defeat him but choose to keep testing his newfound ss powers until almost later and could died) like someone told was now in super which that obssession now look even worse to the point of him care more about fights than the safe if his "beloved" friends and family.
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2016-05-26, 09:42 | Link #1378 | |
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2016-05-26, 10:33 | Link #1379 |
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yeah when you start to look to goku "past" after dragon ball and beginner of Z, goku goes from your typical "shounen" hero, to a dumbass anti-hero, because normally anti-heroes are badass and smart but goku is only smart when comes to fight all the others things he is a big dumbass person with just "muscle brains".
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2016-05-26, 14:27 | Link #1380 | |
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As for the whole Goku remaining dead thing, he did actually give another reason aside from just "I wanna fight strong dudes!"; He felt that he was a natural trouble-magnet. Raditz, Vegeta, Mecha-Freeza, the androids, Cell... All of them came to Earth specifically because of him. Of course if Goku hadn't been there chances are the Red Ribbon Army and/or Piccolo would have conquered the planet anyway but... really, literally every threat they'd faced ever since Goku grew up could be traced straight back to him.
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