2017-02-06, 02:02 | Link #21 |
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It’s a double whammy IMO. The nomination & nominees of that certain award aren’t varied and good enough to begin with, only to be worsened by the YoI overhype. Don’t get me wrong, YoI is a very good series (it’s not a fujoshi-bait because it treated the homosexual relationship quite seriously and not focusing on sexual tension) and it deserves most of the praises it gets, but monopolizing an award in almost all categories isn’t one of them .
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2017-02-06, 02:16 | Link #22 | |
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To me the solution is simple - pick one. It's what every RL award committee does. Don't make nonsense arguments like "she was a lead in one arc, but supporting in another" - that's a slippery slope like Mount Everest. If a series counts as a single series under the rules you guys have set up, a character should not be eligible for both categories. It ain't complicated, really.
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2017-02-06, 02:18 | Link #23 |
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This particular system just happens to be a fairly rare event. I don't think it's generally a good idea to focus around on designing rules around exceptions that will probably never occur again. Sometimes OP things are OP, so let them be. Unless you work for Blizzard.
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2017-02-06, 02:30 | Link #24 |
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Or just have some common sense rules that apply to everything. As RRR said this sort of thing is actually quite likely to happen again, given the cast makeup of most anime these days.
I suppose it boils down to what you want awards like these to be. Do you want to at least try and be systematic, and use established precedent as a guideline to try and have a real contest? Or do you just want it to be an arbitrary thing where anything goes as long as it amuses enough people? No wrong answer, but the two are pretty much mutually exclusive.
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2017-02-06, 03:28 | Link #25 | ||
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I mean, you could talk about common sense, but it's pretty obvious the interpretation here was ambiguous enough to cause this situation in the first place. And common sense also dictates numbers (excluding troll votes) really mean what they mean. Quote:
There's a case for simply ditching the category of side character, and simply do just male/female "character" There would be no need for interpretation or bias. however I simply do not think it's really worth it in the fear that some other character can be strong in both categories-- and chances if they really are that popular, then they really deserve the double mention. The problem I see with this argument is the possible suggestion that this vote event is not systematic and based on established precedent based on this one event. I don't think that's very fair, and does a disservice to the people that organize it.
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2017-02-06, 05:26 | Link #26 |
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I think that Rem winning both Lead and Supporting awards feels kinda off.
The issue here is when the winner has won this role in the same series and on the same year. Any real-life comparisons were between different movies and different years.
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2017-02-06, 08:04 | Link #27 |
is this so?
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As Subaru would say.... VICTORY!!!!
Glad that Rem-chan won. Gonna show some friends in the cos community that Rem won. Well, demon girl is really popular...all her dakimakura are sold out at the convention that I went to yesterday. @.@ Oh, and also glad that Planetarian won. That anime made me cry today.... not kidding.... Really one of the best anime I've watched in 2016, I like it as much as RE:Zero. Sad that Love Live did not win any thing.. well, I guess Macross had good songs too.
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2017-02-06, 13:25 | Link #29 | |
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Another thing is that the amount of voters has been decreasing by a good amount since 2011. Now there's many reasons for it, but one of the complaints about barriers to entry has been complexity and I think adding more rules and exceptions will just further exacerbate the problem, especially if the reason for changing things is that one doesn't like the results. It honestly feels like a knee jerk reaction. If it happens in the next few years, then sure we can have a talk about it. If we should have so much respect for systems and precedents, then clamoring for change the moment something doesn't work (subjectively) and suggesting the system was broken (and not doing it in the past) seems like a contradiction to me.
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So you have to remember that there are Awards each year, or you have to drop by the General Anime forum and see the announcement. That leaves out many many people who might otherwise have voted. Maybe I'll argue again for an advertising banner next year, but I can't promise. Perhaps others can pick up the torch?
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2017-02-06, 15:04 | Link #34 | |
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I was actually expecting REM to not win anything after getting both nominations. I wouldn't have been surprised if everyone went ahead and voted for their other picks expecting her to have the prizes in the bag. Looks like I was wrong though
On the overall discussion regarding whether allowing REM both nominations was a good or bad idea I'll fully undersign what Archon Wing said: I also believe that this was a rare exception and that we shouldn't really add further complexity to the rules. The rules have, in my opinion, reached the perfect amount complexity to allow this to be fun and not overly cumbersome to those voting so let sleeping dogs lie. Back to the topic at hand I'm slightly surprised Flip Flappers got the OP/ED award. For me it was a much better contender for the animation category but I understand that its old school approach isn't really what's popular nowadays. I'm also happy to see Planetarium and Macross Delta getting their awards and off course Sangatsu no Lion. Well deserved win there. Quote:
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2017-02-06, 16:26 | Link #35 | |
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We are already in the "deal with it" phase. I didn't double nominate Rem either but the people have spoken and I voted accordingly. I wasn't exactly happy voting against the character in my avatar...
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2017-02-06, 17:14 | Link #36 |
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Well, this list overall had a lot more to it. Issues therein were minor compared to the farcical results that came in from Crunchyroll aka the Yuri on Ice awards, or the numerous other sites which effectively only acknowledged Yuri on Ice, Re: Zero and Mob Psycho 100 as the worthwhile titles from last year.
But my biggest issue is that Your Name wasn't eligible for this list. Despite that, the better spread of titles and the amount of times Rakugo appeared on this list (and I guess in some ways, Erased) probably make it a list that is respectable.
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2017-02-06, 17:30 | Link #37 |
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In this case, no choice is not a choice.
I know we're all tired of this tempest in a teapot, so I'll drop it. But my last thought is this - just defer to common sense. It just makes no damn sense that a character can be both lead and supporting in the same show - it's counter-intuitive because it's absurd. It's like saying a trap character should be eligible for both gender awards because they're male part of the time and female part of the time. Or are we going to allow that, too?
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2017-02-06, 17:42 | Link #38 |
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I'm just gonna leave this here... there's a lot more to this year then just the No.1.
If you haven't watched some of the others who didn't get first prize, maybe you should. And if 4 choices per category aren't enough, there's more in nominations: part 1, part 2 _______________ With regard to the results. Not very happy with how Hai to Gensou no Grimgar was dead last in storyline. Nor how Ao no Kanata no Four Rhythm was dead last in sports, but expected that one. Or how Shirayuki lost to best female lead. Or how Ikta Solork was last in male lead. Guess Konosuba winning is all I get. Ohwell. Year wasn't very strong for me overall anyway.
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2017-02-06, 17:44 | Link #39 | |
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Only quick fix to this is combining the two into a "best character" option. There are many characters in a grey zone where there is dispute between what role they play, and it really is best to leave that choice to each individual voters discretion. What matters is Rem was best female character of the year, and the results show. The double-option just allowed a character that played both roles(dependent on arch) throughout the series to be present in both categories, and subsequently win both categories. Combine the two, and problem solved.
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