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2018-10-04, 12:06 | Link #1006 | |
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the reason it went into the morality farce is because people are demanding ainz to act "morally right"
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2018-10-04, 15:49 | Link #1008 | |
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There are many things Ainz does wrong, but there are two notable improvements he bring into the world; 1. He sees absolutely everyone as equals. Equally worthless, yes, but equal none the less. 2. More importantly, he doesn't see himself as inherently superior. This is more blatant in future volumes, but I hope i am allowed to say that Ainz is prepared to submit himself to servitude if he ends up meeting an enemy too strong for him. That he is fully knowing his power is the only thing keeping him on top. That there was no moral right at all for him to be above others. Ainz does not believe in Manifest Destiny. He is not a Chosen One, no one granted him the right to rule. What he gain, he can easily lose. His followers obviously worships him, but he doesn't let that affect his own views. And what view is that? The view that you need power. Not power for its own sake, but you need power to have anything at all. Yes, you can use power to do evil, but you can do evil with anything. Power is what gives one to even have an opinion, to have a voice, to make decisions. To be righteous is fine and dandy, but without power to back it up, righteousness is just empty platitudes. Thus, the last three seasons was Ainz doing what he needed to do to gain power. And he will continue to gain power. He will do many things that are not righteous in the process, but so long as no higher authority tried to stop him, he will continue. For as long as he is the strongest, he will not bend the knee. It isn't fair, but you need power to make things fair.
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2018-10-04, 16:30 | Link #1009 | |
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But Ainz, or perhaps the New World in itself, is completely different. Taking cases like the Re-Estize King or the Baharut Emperor aside, leaders like the Platinum Dragon Lord actually have personal power that's absolute. 99.99% of the world would be unable to "assassinate" the Platinum Dragon Lord, no matter how hard they tried, no matter how defenseless he might be at any moment. That's because of his personal power compared to the attacker's. Even if Ainz took off all his equipment and just stood there doing nothing, Gazef's sword, while being able to bypass Ainz's high tier physical immunity and perhaps even slash resistence, is still only a "low-level magic weapon", i.e. doesn't really have much base damage in relation to high-level YGGDRASSIL weapons, and would still require him to slash away for who knows how long using several martial arts before he could seriously damage Ainz (who afaik has relatively low HP, but high enough def and magic def to tank several of Shalltear's attacks + his own Fallen Dawn without dying), and Ainz would probably still be OK at the point that Gazef reaches complete exhaustion from using regular attacks and martial arts. And of course "Ainz standing around" would never happen long enough for Ainz to actually take life-threatening damage. So with that in mind, please note that our morals don't account for this "difference in personal power". On the opposite, actually. Religions go as far as to legitimize anything that's normally considered wrongdoing when a being who is considered a deity is responsible for it. And we people also idolize minor wrongdoings of strong people, like our comic superheroes. Did anyone ever WANT superheroes to be treated normally and according to the law? Like fining them for collateral damage or trespassing? No, most likely not and that's simply "because they are superheroes" and on top of that, even if someone wanted to put one into prison for any larger damages they did, it COULD NOT BE ENFORCED. It's clear that even in the hypothetical scenario where people with superior personal power exist in our own society, we appearently wouldn't want nor would be able to judge them "like we would judge any other normal person".
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2018-10-04, 20:51 | Link #1010 |
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It's only 10k people and releasing them is massive security risk, since they already knew about the existence of Nazarick and its location. Mind control and brainwashing are also out of consideration since those spells aren't omnipotent and can be broken out by strong will individuals or canceled out by other magic users. Ainz made that decision as a leader whose responsibility is to put his group/organization's best interest first and foremost.
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2018-10-05, 04:52 | Link #1012 | ||
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That Ainz is an evil villain. |
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2018-10-05, 05:45 | Link #1013 | |
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"Ainz is the villain" This is correct. And as the show portrays he isn't perfect doing that job. "Ainz has a good side" This is correct too, but some can't just accept this so they'll go into a debate to refute that and end pulling some mental gymnastics here and some fallacies there to "win" the argument making the whole thing look like there was only White and Black.
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2018-10-05, 07:54 | Link #1014 | |
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That is, unless you think heroism means Human supremacy, the extermination of all non-humans, and legal enslavement of elves. Because he is the only one actually making long term improvements to the continent. Ainz is taking charge because somebody had to. The fact that the anime deliberately skipped portraying most of the horrible things that are happening in all these countries doesn't mean they didn't happen. Ainz is the only hope for peace in the land. And i don't mean peace between humans; peace between ALL the races.
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2018-10-05, 08:09 | Link #1015 | |
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2018-10-05, 08:22 | Link #1016 | |
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Of course, it hasn't happened yet in Ainz's case, which is a problem I have some portrayals of Ainz: how reasonable is it to credit him with things he hasn't achieved yet? |
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2018-10-05, 09:08 | Link #1017 |
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Gazef, Climb, and Brain are far more heroic than Ainz. The Order of the Blue Rose are heroes. Just because they cant measure up to many of the lesser beings of Nazarick doesn't make them less of a hero.
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Realistic heroes who are willing to use pragmatic methods to serve a greater good.
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