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The turning point I believe, will be the few volumes right after all the girls remember Rio. If in those vols we get no drive and no action for progress from neither Rio nor the girls that means we were duped, simple as that. Or we get the romance progress we've been expecting and you're one embarrassing guy who got it supremely wrong but was so confident. On Reiss, after reading jagt's summary of the width of his knowledge, I can't help but think, Reiss is getting out of his depth real quick. I'm going to speculate that the divine war was mostly three different phases: 1/ the wise gods messed up and the demons arrived. demons + monsters VS 6 wise gods + humans ensued. 6 great spirits join in. Wise betray them. The fight continues but with the addition of the nukes=heroes. 2/ dragon king and Lina join in the fray. They, or rather, he shows them how war is done. drives the demon race to near extinction. They might also have fought the wise gods faction; heroes, human armies and all. Anyway, the 2 overuse their divinity and are nearly dead, the rest we know from Aishia's mem. 3/ All the strong are gone, only small fries remain in all sides of the battle. A low level war of heroes/humans VS demons/monsters ensues. This is what the humans know in their history and records as the heavenly demonic war and it is also the battle where Reiss played an active role. If I got the flow of events right, then Reiss will most likely be losing his position as a main villain and most of his relevance once we get some real answers about him, which the author sort of teased on vol 23 when he said something along the lines of "nobody knows what the man called Reiss fights for or against." |
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In addition to that, when Charlotte organized a meeting to talk about this topic, all the girls concluded that Haruto was the type of man who would only love one woman I don't know what other proof you need, you already have the opinion of the MC and all heroines Quote:
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Rio said he doesn't want a harem, and the girls concluded at that party Charlotte organized earlier that he's not the type to love more than one woman, but things can change. Miharu isn't the only one who loves him, so he may choose to make them all happy. We'll see. @Xan: Reiss' case is very weird and confusing. I still think he's likelier to be a demon, though.
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About Rio not wanting a harem, Rio's reluctance isn't due to him being against polygamy, he simply is unable to enter a romantic relationship with anyone, losing his mother at Lucius' hands made Rio really scared of forming a family just to fail to protect it again, that's why he doesn't want to have a romantic relationship or getting married with anyone, even less an harem.
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he say it so clearly that there is no room for an interpretation of his words, everything else you wrote is just excuses, your mind invents crazy theories and far-fetched interpretations to feed your fantasies. In addition, Haruto rejected the harem after volume 14, that is, after Lucius death, Rio rejected the harem after the completion of his revenge arc not before. so the excuse of" revenge prevents the harem" no longer serves you, right now your current excuse should be the rules, the "rules prevent the harem" and when the rules break down you will have to find a new excuse, and it will be "new holy war prevents the harem", then the demon king will appear and he will be the excuse,"demon king prevents the harem" and so you will continue until the end of the novel. you live in the clouds jagt, Detached from reality, i pity you.
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You say Miharu doesn't seem to have any intention to share or of losing to the other girls but forget, on purpose obviously, that Miharu is a japanese girl that wasn't raised with polygamy in mind and taught to accept it like the rest of the girls, the same for Satsuki. You also don't say that there has already been plenty of examples of japanese girls changing their minds in regards to that in a lot of other isekai or fantasy novels either, you again don't say that a lot of heroines from novels with harems taking similar stances in regards to not losing to the others was never a problem for those novels to have an harem ending too. You say Celia refuses to share too but she never did such statement with her words, actions or even just inside her mind. You have claimed the main girls don't want to share letting out Aisia,and of course on purpose, who is all in for whatever Rio decides, and that none of the girls said ever they would refuse to be part of Rio's harem if he ever asks them to. Another thing, that again on purpose, you continue to not to say, is that the girls just don't cooperate because, mistakenly, believe that Rio is against polygamy when he really isn't, as I already explained why in my previous comment. The four times you say Rio said clearly to be against poligamy don't exist either, there was just one time and motivated by Rio's inability to enter in a romantic relationship with someone due to his emotional problems and not to opposition to the harem concept, something that was also explained in the same volume 16 where that "rejection" of an harem was made. You say I live in the world of clouds when you are the one putting clouds in front of what doesn't suit your point to hide it, typical troll hyphocresy. You say you pity me but I pity way more the you who is so needed of attention that needs to do something as empty and dumb as to post here lies about books that you don't read for getting it, one more typical troll trait. Quote:
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Btw guys, I really don't get where everyone got the idea that Miharu is against a harem from. Iirc all she basically said was "these girls are actively trying to get closer to Haru-kun, I'm no good as I am, I have to change myself and close the distance with him." Essentially, "watashi mo maketcha irrannai." Then all of a sudden people decided that means Miharu refused to share. She wasn't even thinking about sharing or whatnot, just her relationship with Rio.
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I believe this brief interaction is a good depection of their willingness (Satsuki, Miharu and Celia's) to accept the fact that Rio has the "responsibility" to embrace the feelings of not only Miharu but Celia, too; both in their perspective and in Rio's own mind (freely taken).
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Are you serious? you lost your mind pal, You can't make those comparisons, Those other "examples" of which you speak happen in other novels written by other authors, that does not mean shit for Yuri, he has all the creative freedom of his work, and yuri has already made clear his position in hte harem topic, only that you do not want to understand it, You only dedicate yourself to ignoring all the signs that Yuri has written to warn that there will be no harem, and with your obsessive mind you have decided to go through everything to imagine a supposed "harem" that does not exist Quote:
"none of the girls said ever they would refuse to be part of Rio's harem if he ever asks them to" At this point, I don't know if you just want to make me angry, or you really don't pay attention to the reading, or maybe we are reading different light novels. What kind of alternate reality do you live in? The Rio that I have read over the years would never, ever, for any reason and under any circumstances ask the girls he knows to start a polyamorous relationship. the protagonist that I have read during these 20+ volumes is not capable of such a thing, not even in your wildest dreams, if you really think after all this time that Rio is capable of something like that, you really have gone completely crazy, you have not paid an ounce of attention to Rio personality during all this time. Quote:
Are you going to make me look for it? Think carefully about your answer, because I'm going to do it if necessary, and you're going to look like a fool in front of everyone, because Rio said explicitly, clearly and without hesitation that he did not liked the idea of the harem,He didn't say anything about thinking about it later, nor did he give any subjective answer that you could interpret, he clearly said "I don't like the idea of polygamy,"
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While I agree that mentioning other works to make a point does not really hold weight here, you're not actually judging Miharu, the one we have to observe through Yuri's writing, as you ought to. It might come as a surprise to you, but with this work's kind of narration, the protagonist's (and all the characters') words are not necessarily absolute. I'm not going to explain the circumstances under which Rio and the girls talked about poligamy, because Jagt already explained it really well. As we are talking particularly about Miharu and Celia, the former also said previously that "he doesn't have to choose me, but I still will be with him", and the latter said "you don't have to take responsibility about me not being able to marry as a noble". As strange as it is to mention these kinds of expressions, they are key to undestanding the charcters' motivations and, consequently, the kinds of developments we can logically expect. Quote:
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Anyway, Roberto buddy, there are no such stakes here, he's not going to look like nothing to nobody, we ain't no bunch of high school brats looking to put each other down. *Insert unhinged kizoku reijou voice* Anata, obaka-san desu wa ne, o-hohohoho. just kidding man. Quote:
(Bruh, aren't I the one so confident in his speculation) Heck where in the past 23 vols did you get the impression that Rio if he fell for all the girls would say "I love them all but I'll give up right now." If anything Rio has shown that he can be: - real flexible and tolerant from his interactions with people, unless the other side tries violence first to which he answers with the necessary amount of violence. He's humble by nature and doesn't tell people what to do. - unhinged and free as shown when he looked for Lucius and fought him to the death, in the process of which he broke into the Proxia castle and duked it out with the emperor with no cares in the world. Or when he kidnapped Celia, etc... He's basically a chilling dude capable of sick stuff, but doesn't care to stick his nose in anything as long as the people he loves are safe and sound. A typical harem protagonist would spend a Goku vs Frieza worth of chapters beating around the bush before taking action then he would be having a monologue about how he might get executed if he seriously injured the heroes they worship in a battle, or how his nerves can't bear to fight an emperor or a princess or talk back to a prince without a care, scared of their political power. Meanwhile we got Rio here dishing out true social hierarchal equality to whoever asked for it and people still think this guy is a wimp cuz he didn't run to confess to over ten girls, bloodied coat and all , the moment he killed his nemesis, using childish terms like beta or whatever to describe him. If anything he's the type to think it through thoroughly before arriving to a conclusion, and while I do agree with you that Rio pre-vol 10, Rio pre-vol 14-6 would all have rejected the notion of harem after serious thought even if confessed to by the girls, that is not because he is against a harem, it is because he is against a relationship altogether, believing someone like him can not make them happy. Furthermore, the setting in which Rio opposed a harem was "am I also obliged from a noble society pov, to practice polygamy?" Besides, the girls have had a really grand influence on his way o thinking, coupled with him being unhinged and flexible (how I see him), it is very much possible that his brain reaches the harem following his heart. As for his feeling, in vol 16 Rio couldn't tell Celia that it's better for her to get married, thinking to himself that the him before killing Lucius could have easily said it, that's a flag/hint for Celia romance. Then at the end of the same vol he said to Miharu that he tried to do it but couldn't let go of either the part of him as Haruto or the existence of Mii-chan for Haruto, there you go Miharu romantic flag/hint. Now if those two are in, that's the gates of harem opening up, any other girl becomes a matter of development. Remember that his mems as Ryuou still haven't returned yet, we don't know what effects that personality with an eternity of life experience will have on him. It may change some parts of him and it may make him finally accept himself as all three personalities, cuz lets be honest, the whole Rio is not Haruto schtick Rio is going with is just him gaslighting himself. Lina may be a different case but this guy just stayed the same and kept dying and reviving, while losing memories the first time, losing memories doesn't make you a different individual, and since he kept reviving either way, one might argue that dying was the same as sleeping to him, sleeping too doesn't make him a different individual. Last edited by hihoperorin; 2023-03-07 at 02:50. |
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As Marco already explained jealousness and unwillingness are not the same. Something very obvious to realize and include in one's point when not in the middle of exhibiting a troll's typical selective blindness. Get as angry as you want, I couldn't care less. And yes, we problably have been reading different novels, the novels that everyone reads and the version created in your head by your selective blindness. The point has never been what Rio would ask or not but what would happen if he asks, if the girls would be unwilling or if they would have refused when asked that question, and there isn't a girl that looks like she would refuse. Not to say that Rio has been growing more accepting of the idea of romance and conscious of the need to answer the girls' feelings with the pass of time as Marco already explained, the day when he asks that question could end up being not so far for what we know. Thanks Marco for saving me the work and time of searching for the part of the book that exemplifies the best this troll's selective blindness.
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The problem was that Rio didn't even think for a second about taking responsibility FOR HIMSELF, the idea didn't even come to his mind, which is very sad for celia really, the bastard even suggested celia looking for another guy HAHAHAHAAH Quote:
It doesn't really matter what Celia wants, Rio isn't cut off to have more than one woman, and I know what you're going to say, "he can change" but the truth is that's impossible, we're already in vol 22 at least more than half the whole novel for sure.l, rio would need such an abrupt and radical personality change that it would be simply unnatural, people can change yes, but the change that he occupies is so radical that it can no longer happen, time has already run out. Quote:
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The problem with this paragraph is the interpretation that you people are giving it, first he rejects the idea of polygamy clearly and concisely, then comes the line that confuses you "No, that's not what I meant... I' I'm just unable to think about love and marriage at this time.” However, in this part of the text he refers to a monogamous marriage , why you ask? cuz he said AFTER stating he was not into having multiple women, then cristina and Rio started talking about a normal marriage, and then rio proceeds to think that with time he will be able to achieve the necessary confidence and positive thinking to 1 women, I would say that your interpretation of the text is extremely positive bordering on naivety.
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I am confident because I know the way this author yuri likes to throw bait, I also knew that date a live and Yuragi-sou no Yuuna were not going to end up in a harem, believe me, I have a nose for this type of authors, they sell pure smoke and they like to throw bait to his readers Quote:
(Sparing the life of Reis about 5 times, sparing the life of the 3 who accompanied Lucius about 6 times, sparing the life of Duran, sparing the life of Proxia, sparing the life of Charles, etc.) I could write paragraphs and paragraphs about his stupid mistakes and the times he behaved like a coward, unfortunately my bedtime is coming up, I'm already 20 years old you know, I can't resist sleeping as much as before Quote:
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What kind of person does he need to represent to opt for a harem? While you give your opinion on this, let me elaborate on what I think that characteristic is. As we're discussing a Japanese story, and having read a fair share of harem works (to the point I just want a healthy romance), I can tell it is immaturity and a lack of self-steem, and in a comical, broader and less serious sense: a sexual approach, i.e., ecchi. Then I have to repeat what Jagt has already said: Christina was not wrong to assume Rio only wants a single wife, neither was Charlotte in taking that direction in her little experiment, which provoked the obvious reaction in the girls. Rio is a likable, quiet man. But Yuri has properly developed many more aspects of his character. One of those is his determination to do things when push comes to shove. I'll give an example below. Quote:
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23 volumes, out of which 20 transpired in lapse of time of more or less a single year. And in that year, we started with Rio finding his determination to push through with his vengeance, to him fulfilling it with barely anytime to think about his future with all the events going on around him. That's why I have to ask again: what is it you are expecting of him? I believe Yuri is also going out of his way to call us out on that. He has, two or three times, said (inside the novel): people change, but not immediately. Quote:
When Celia quentioned him whether he was willing to take her away and build a life with her, he said "if that's what you want, I'll do it". I expect you might say that he was just bluffing, but those who are properly reading the novel will agree that this is not the only time Rio has shown his determination and how flexible he can be with those he cherishes. Quote:
In addition to that, and this is just as important, as he's talking with Christina about the ways of nobility, his stance rejects not the idea of polygamy per se, but what it implies as a noble, i.e., political marriages. |
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