2007-02-17, 08:48 | Link #121 | |
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I don't have a complain about Kakuzu being tricked by Naruto's kagebunshin trick because Naruto has used two rasenshurikens at the same time. I have never seen any akatsuki or kage or sannin using two instances of his ultimate attack at the same time. It's like Itachi using amaterasu himself and tsukiyomi with his KB at the same time, or Itachi using his MS when he was a clone with 30% chakra. Naruto's trick would not work if he was not capable of creating a super-jutsu with a mere clone, and i don't blame Kakuzu to falling for the trick. Also it was not just a mere trick: the clone could probably kill Kakuzu too if he didn't crush him with his tentacles. However.... i'm complaining about Naruto not being killed by Kakuzu after his attack failed, also i complain about Kakuzu wanting to kill someone who has the demon in him, which is very important for akatsuki. So i guess we have different problems with these chapters, but the amount is the same |
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2007-02-17, 09:09 | Link #123 | |
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That's my complaint also, it more about Kishi writing choice, rather than Kakuuzu.
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2007-02-17, 13:02 | Link #124 | |
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If that was the case then that makes both Hidan and Kakuzu mere test subjects for the main character's growth. I expect the others to be much more impressive.
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2007-02-17, 14:07 | Link #125 | |
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Hidan seems that he was specifically created to be defeated by Shikamaru to show his growth. Kakuzu was perfect for Naruto since he demonstrated the power of element jutsu which Naruto was learning in this arc. We know when Kisame and Team Gai tangle again that something has to give. People will complain when Kisame is badly de-powered so one of the kids can kill him. Deidara? Maybe we finally get to see the full power of Sai. Zetsu? I hope he's not Team 8's crash test dummy, but he could very well be. The BH? Maybe practice for Sasuke? So outside of Itachi and the AL, I don’t see any of the Akatsuki looking more impressive than Hidan, Kakuzu, or Sasori. I think the greatest threat is when they finally assemble their great ninja army and unleash the biju. Then we have our great war.
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2007-02-17, 14:26 | Link #126 |
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Kishi is seriously beginning to annoy me now. Two more dead without revealing a single ultimate attack. Or an explanation or nothing. We still don't know anything about Hidan who is rich enough as a character to have his own miniseries.
I have no problem with shika knocking off hidan; though I'd have lliked the fight to be a little less easy for shika. I mean at least vs tayuya he had to break a finger. Again Hidan, he didn't even break a sweat. Come on... And kakuzu, for a subzero look alike, his demise was less than cool. Falling for the oldest trick in the book is just shameful. Makes me wonder if he even ever tangled with Shodaime. A guy like that? Tangling with Shodaime? And falling for a stupid bunshin trick? Get out of here. But give naruto some credit; seems like training with 2000 clones does more than just teach you a technique-- in my opinion, he's gotten faster because of it. That can only be the explanation. And kurenai's pregnant. 1) was anybody surprised? 2) does anybody really care? 3) Does it change anything at all if she's pregnant or not? 4) So why give her even more face time? How about giving main characters that we care about face time? 5) And I didn't even know that jounins were allowed to be pregnant and have kids. I mean, is shikas mom a jounin? Or kibas? Or sakura? I think they are all normal people. |
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If Shika is able to catch you the fight is pretty much finished since he can easily kill you with his shadow now. If Hidan only scratches you you're a goner. Quote:
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2007-02-17, 15:34 | Link #128 |
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Maybe sakura's mother has that skin disease where if light hits you, the person basically bursts into flames....
Sasuke's housewife mom was a jounin? Get out! All I ever saw her do was wear an apron and put out pancakes... Wow. Go figure. Anyway, I still find it odd that kurenai just got pregnant without any sort of consent. I mean, what if everyone was doing it? It seems like unregulated sexual conduct would be dangerous in terms of village safety, at least thats how I see it. Its a huge liability to have ninja who can just sleep with each other and have all the babies they want. What if kurenai was the leader of a crack defense squad? Or the leader of some important military group? Its really dangerous if half your female ninja get knocked up without any sort of formal consent; it like losing half your troops. What if suddenly konoha needed her for something? SHe wouldn't be able to go because she was pregnant. Thats why you need rules regulating that because military defense is important and can be an easy thing to compromise. I find it very odd indeed. What if Ino couldn't have come to assist Asuma and shika earlier ago because she was knocked up? Or if sakura couldn't accompany chiyo and kakashi and naruto because she was pregnant with kibas baby? Chiyo would have died, kakashi and naruto would be dead at the hands of sasori and so on. Militaries need their personnel. (I think in our military, there are rules against male and female soldiers doing that right?) Plus its not like its hard to steal a baby while the mother is in the bathroom or is cooking or sleeping or something. Babies can be held for ransom, can be used to coerce and blackmail people, and are just a huge liability... |
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The "kids" (they are pretty much adult now) are strong enough to take on S ranked missions now... and Kurenai is most likely past her prime already. Having children to take up the torch after the current Genins (Naruto excluded) would be the best thing wouldnt it? |
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2007-02-17, 15:48 | Link #130 |
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Well, what I'm getting at is this. Ninja are your personnel. You have to know who you can count on and who you can't count on. Having kids without consent disrupts leaderships ability to know their personnel. For example, lets say theres a critical mission coming up in 3 days where a good genjutsu nin is needed and that kurenai is perfect for. SO they plan the mission around her and support her with all the right people. Then, the leadership finally finds out kurenai is pregnant and can't go. They are totally screwed and konoha gets annihilated. Its a bit of an exaggeration, but the point is if you have kids, you can't be an active ninja. Konoha needs its good active ninja. The difference of one or two people can be the difference between life or death (refer to sakura/chiyo vs sasori. What would have happened if chiyo was like, "dudes I can't go. I'm totally PREGNANT"). There'd be 3 dead ninja on your hands in kakashi, sakura, and naruto. Having people spontaneously drop out due to pregnancy without you knowing can result in people dying on the field.
I mean just think about it. If you were the leader of a mixed sex army protecting a village, would you allow your soldiers to freely sleep with each other and freely have babies without requiring any sort of consent? Last edited by Suna no tate; 2007-02-17 at 16:00. |
2007-02-17, 16:54 | Link #131 |
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I understand your point perfectly about the issue of pregnant NInjas, but have in mind that women only represent roughly 33% of a Shinoby Military power. of course you are not going to loose that 33% in one day, nor everyone is going to get pregnant at the same time.
Is the same as Any type of company, were usually more than half are female, you don't see them controlling the pregnancy and when they due labor they usually take 2 to 3 months of the company, so Having a Shinoby out of commission for a year shouldn't be any problems, as they should be replacement for Injured or Killed SHinoby, or in this Case, Pregnant Shinobies. Not to mention pregnancy represents the carriage of the Most important Asset for Konoha, so im sure the Higher tiers of Konoha wouldn't mind loosing this task force to that.
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First you don't know if there isn't some kind of consent and if there isn't the village still have several months to change their planing around this. I also guess that pregnant ninja can still be of use even during the last months for teaching ninja student or various other purpose beside mission outside the village. Quote:
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2007-02-17, 17:43 | Link #133 |
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Well, this was a very informative chapter. Naruto has grown alot. It should be fun to see him take on some real opponents by himself. He really did win the fight that he was in. The guy wasn't dumbed down. Hie enemy made the most logical choice, besides retreating, while fighting Naruto. It wouldn't make since for him to split his hearts up because there were at least two other people present that are capable of taking them out. Naruto was uber powered up and Kakuzo couldn't compete with him with just one heart. That' why he attacked him all out with all of his hearts. It was safer to keep all of his eggs in one basket. He took a gamble and tried to elminate the visible threat before it could be launched. It's like when you step into a punch before it is fully thrown. There was no way for him to know that Naruto could give his KB a technique like that.
On a side note, does anyone else wonder when Naruto will become a chuunin and start leading his three followers. I think Naruto becoming a teacher for Konohomaru has alot of potential. The anime set it up like that, but will Kishi actually do it. |
2007-02-17, 17:55 | Link #134 |
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Not in this series. There's too much left to resolve first.
So Hunter (or anyone), I'm going to flat out ask you: you're the leader of your military village with some 1000+ plus ninja (male and female) under you. Do you let them sleep with each other freely? Freely have babies? Or do you issue some sort of regulation? |
2007-02-17, 20:11 | Link #135 |
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I would issue sexual regulation between people depending of their ranks but no I would certainely not try to forbid people to have babies.
The reasons are simple really : -No matter what you do you can't stop people to fuck especially when they're out of duty so better deal with reality rather than trying to enforce rules fated to fail. -Natality in Ninja Family is an absolute necessity to maintain the strenght of the clans and the village. If a soldier gets pregnant "by surprise" at a time that will seriously fuck up military organization (and if a problem from a single person can do that you better change your organization to begin with) then so be it. Of course said soldier will be working from now on where sudden duty incapacity will not cause troubles. And of course even if officially it is not forbidden, it's always officiously known that duty comes before family if you want to be in charge. |
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And, considering the average number (ratio) of pregnant female soldiers at any given time (and usually, they wouldn't cause a problem in the first few months), and the number of duties to be distributed around, I think it wouldn't cause a problem. I don't think the soldiers also aim for establishing children farms. It is needed but it is still as a result of a well-thought process. Depends on the lucky/unlucky husband/father. Last edited by Sazelyt; 2007-02-17 at 22:33. Reason: More comments... |
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Kakuuzu was outmaneuvered and was not able to take on all the clones + the original Naruto in a given timeframe. It is irrelevant whether he was able to see through narutos attack pattern or not. He didn't have enough speed to manage all of them. Therefore he focused on the real one for the 2nd time. How can you say he made mistake after mistake and so on? He was not capable of defeating Naruto with only two hearts remaining. End of story. Given the information from chapter 340 I'd even go as far as to say his decision to focus on the real one was quite the correct one. It still was a worthless effort. He should have run away. Quote:
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2007-02-17, 22:49 | Link #140 |
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-Jiraiya ? Well, if Tsunade had a kid it would be both a big problem and a blessing all at once. On the plus side, the child would be legendary, even if only in name due to lineage. On the downside, during the pregnancy Tsunade (the current Hokage) would be out of comission which seriously lowers Konohagakure's status. But if she had the next Hokage already lined up then it wouldn't really matter now would it?
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