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2010-07-23, 10:20 | Link #2262 |
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That is awesome. They really did their homework when they came up with the servant's names and attacks. I didn't realize she was Medusa until she used her mystic eyes. I always picture Medusa with snakes on her head.
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2010-07-23, 10:21 | Link #2263 |
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I knew about Andromeda and Perseus, (Though I did not know about that Perseus/Pegasus constellation thing, which is kind of a neat little touch), though I never really thought it was a good reference. Sure Andromeda and Medusa were both in the Perseus legend, but the only time they ever 'met' was when Andromeda happened to be somewhat nearby Medusa's severed head. Still, I can understand why the Bloodfort Andromeda was named that.
What I don't get is the significance of the ability itself. Was there any legend that Medusa slowly killed those in a proximity around herself just by being there? It might be justified by her releasing a poison or something just by moving around, but if so I don't recall it. Of course, I might be thinking too much into it. It's not like Medea was well-known for her magical contract-breaking knife; it's just that betrayal was a major theme of her story (She betrayed her father for Jason, Jason betrayed her for another woman, etc., etc.). Maybe Bloodfort is a similar thing, symbolizing solitude and death or something to that effect. Last edited by Moczo; 2010-07-23 at 10:52. |
2010-07-23, 11:19 | Link #2264 |
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Medusa was an incredibly... no, unbelievably beautiful nymph. Poseidon wanted to get in on with her, she said no (not surprising is the fact they were related), and as repercussion, Medusa and her sisters were turned into the hideous Gorgons. It's why her hair was turned into snakes. That's why they made her appear so beautiful.
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2010-07-23, 12:53 | Link #2266 |
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It's rather obvious she drew her on personality. Come to think of it, the Makiri, like the Tosaka, are pretty much dirt poor now because they kept losing in the Heaven's Feel.
Still have to admit, Kariya got a much better servant with his personality.
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2010-07-23, 14:29 | Link #2268 |
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If no catalyst is used during the summoning, a servant will be drawn using the summoner's personality. It allowed Uuryu to summon Gilles de Rais, as both found incredible pleasure in murdering/torturing people in as many ways as possible. Kariya drew Lancelot, as he was willing to sacrifice everything (and sell his soul to the devil, metaphorically) in order to save the one person whom he cared about more than anyone, which was Sakura, without any regard of what it would do to him. Medusa and Sakura both wanted things to go back to the way they were when things were better, which is why Sakura drew forth Medusa.
All the other servants (save Fake Assassin) were drawn with a catalyst. Saber was the scabbard, Emiya was the necklace which he carried with him his entire life, Lancer was the Fraggract (I don't care that its spelled wrong, you all know what I mean), Caster is unknown but makes mention that she and her original master never saw eye to eye, Heracles was a slab of one of the temples erected for him. In f/Z, Diarmuid was an unknown item, as its not revealed, but definitely not personality; Iskander is his cloak, Gilgamesh by the fossilized remains of the first snake skin that was shed (and that's where the rest of the Tosaka fortune went); Hassan-i Sabbah is not mentioned, but definitely not like Kirei.
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Plus, of course, their personalities are very similar. They're both quiet, caring and would do absolutely anything to protect the person they care for (in Sakura's case, Shirou, and in Rider's case Sakura), even if that person doesn't want them to. Quote:
Having the same personality as your master is no guarentee that you'll get on (think what would happen if Gil were to summon Gil, for example...). I'm not saying that there wasn't a catalyst, but I don't see why someone would intentionally summon Medea, because she's hardly renowned for her fighting skill (even if she's pretty good in-game, in the legend she's not all that much), finding a catalyst would be difficult and she's not the sort of servant you can really trust (especially if you're intending to act like a complete dick, as her original master apparently did). Also, the guy sounds pretty amatuerish and incompetent to me, which suggests that he never found a catalyst. Quote:
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2010-07-23, 17:14 | Link #2273 |
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are you accounting for the Herpe, Gorgon Head, Helm of Hades, Greaves of Hermes, and the Shield of Athena? In conjunction, you can't win. How do you fight someone who can reflect anything, turn invisible, and turn you to stone, not to mention fly, and has the Herpe...
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2010-07-23, 17:37 | Link #2276 | |
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As for Medusa, well... her eyes don't work all that well on Servants when they're attached to the Gorgon in question. I can't imagine that the severed head works better than the actual Medusa. This is not to say he wouldn't be an outstanding Servant... he is a Demigod, Medusa's eyes do weaken other Servants at least, and Herpe is definitely an exceptional weapon. He'd be a Hell of a competitor, but I don't know if he'd be an instant win card without knowing for sure which, if any, of those other three items he actually got to use as Noble Phantasms. |
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2010-07-23, 17:56 | Link #2278 |
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Actually, Rider compared Perseus to a Shinji who succeed. In short an utterly selfish person with large ego but his brags have a real base at least.
And Caster/Medea's original master was quite skilled. He could restrict Medea's magic power(out of jealusy that his Servant is better in magic than him). Before we say he used a Command Spell, we must remember Archer's comment on long-lasting Command Spells. They tend to have quite weak effects, especially if they have long, undefined and uncertain durations. Medea's master used his own magic to restrict Medea's spells. It's a whole other thing that he was somewhat naive and weak against seduction. |
2010-07-23, 18:03 | Link #2279 |
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Yes, but my entire point was that he might not be flying or invisible, because it's entirely possible that Heroic Spirit Perseus might not have Hermes's sandals, Athena's shield, or Hades's helmet as Noble Phantasms. They aren't his, they belong to the gods and he explicitly gave them back after killing Medusa and rescuing Andromeda, before going on to become king of Mycenae. And he gave Medusa's head to Athena, even, so it's possible that Herpe might be his only Noble Phantasm since it was the only one he kept for his entire career.
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2010-07-23, 18:15 | Link #2280 |
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Then explain how Saber could run on water? She claims to have the blessing of hte Lady of the Lake, but it is clear that he doesn't after she demands he gives up Excalibur and the scabbard, or present her the head of Balin le Savage. (Balin kills her with the axe of the Green Knight then and there)
It's the anecdotes about the heroes which give them their noble phantasms. Even if only used once, they'll keep it.
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