2011-10-08, 12:01 | Link #243 |
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I agree although it rarely occurs. And new anime isn't that much more faithful to be honest. Kaito wasn't in the first episode and they've added some random guy for no reason. Both changes were pointless if you ask me. Also, first episode lacks good directing, everything is paced too fast and changes between the scenes are too abrupt. It is very faithful to manga but that's why old anime > manga. In old anime Gon had to make some effort in order to catch the big fish, in manga and in new anime he did it without problems. There was also an interesting "atmosphere" thanks to very fitting music and scenery (for example the night+woods+fitting music = awesome scene).
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2011-10-08, 12:32 | Link #244 |
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Who's random guy?
If it's going straight to Hunter Exam, I have not much problem with this. .... I don't care much about the fish. Seriously, the fish? When I got into the anime years ago, and looked back, the fish got to be most useless thing that got too much attention. |
2011-10-08, 12:46 | Link #245 |
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I meant Katsuo. Scenes with him were pointless besides the one where he falls into the ocean. But again, in old anime it was done much better, even Kurapica and Leorio catching Gon was different (in a more convincing way IMO). As for fish, details do matter IMO nad it wasn't useless. To know how to run you have to first know how to walk and it was Gon's first big achievement and a good test of his capabilities.
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2011-10-08, 13:31 | Link #246 | |
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As far as Gon fishing out the Lord of the Lake, pay attention to the dialogue. One of the fishermen states that Gon's been attempting to fish out the Lord of the Lake for an entire week non-stop. And he uses his ingenuity to capture him in this version too. The fish is almost too strong for him, so he creates a pulley using the fishing line and the tree. It's almost the same as it is in the original anime series. But so far, from episode 1, we see that the 2011 anime is significantly more faithful. Gon's house looks the same as it does in the manga, the character designs are more reminiscent of Togashi's, Mito doesn't say that she's related to Gon's absent mother, the captain of the ship is a drunkard, and the director doesn't have Kurapika and Leorio jump off the ship completely to catch Gon (and then chastise him for doing so, even though they do the exact same thing) like Furuhashi did. And personality wise, I think the characters will be closer to their manga incarnations. When episode 2 airs, I'll make a similar comparison. |
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2011-10-08, 20:21 | Link #248 | |
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2011-10-08, 23:11 | Link #249 |
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They went through 2 preliminary tests in the second episode; the pace continues to be scorching. Not much about the episode for the veterans, but quite a bit of character development for the new comers. We got to see the personalities and the strengths of the trio-- with Gon having great instincts to go with his agility, Kurapica having great composure and wits, while Leorio having a fiery but caring personality.
Overall, decent episode, but I'm really excited for the next one, which marks the beginning of the real hunter exam and we get to meet the contestants. |
2011-10-08, 23:19 | Link #250 |
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When the new series gets around to the episodes in the future, I'll go into more detail. But there are quite a few character traits significantly different present in the anime. Gon's flaws are overlooked and treated too gently by Furuhashi; he makes Gon an inherently good (and flawless) kid while solely attributing his failures to his disadvantage as an eleven-year-old. Killua is socially retarded and consistently cold (pay attention to the differences in how Gon and Killua become friends; Gon has to work to get Killua's name in the first anime, but Killua is the first to introduce himself to Gon in the manga). There are more, but I'd have to watch the episodes again to remember them all.
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2011-10-09, 00:13 | Link #251 | |
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The only character that had some change was Killua, and even then the changes fit with the current Killua in the manga. |
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2011-10-09, 13:05 | Link #254 |
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Leorio sure made a fuss over answering the question. Totally overreacting.
Good thing Kurapica had a cool head. On the other hand, Gon is not too bright, but his heart is in the right place. The part in the forest was pretty nice with those weird creatures. Gon sure is a special one.
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2011-10-09, 14:26 | Link #255 | |
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2011-10-09, 16:10 | Link #256 |
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Lol Leorio not being able to figure out the answer. Glad he passed the other part as well. Kurapika is really smart. Lol Gon is th best, not only did he not flinch but he was able to tell them apart. Wonder if Ging was able to do it as well.
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2011-10-09, 21:13 | Link #257 |
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First half moved a bit slow for me but 2nd half was fun to watch. The ownage displayed in that part reminds me of the author's past work. I assume this will get better too.
Also, I like the music; whoever's doing the bgm makes the action so much better.
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2011-10-10, 11:14 | Link #258 | |
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And you can't fault the original for having some cells not matching like the faces, because unlike nowadays, I believe HxH was hand drawn, and honestly one of the most amazing animes I've seen produced, and I just don't think it's a fair comparison to say are "off model" when you consider the hard work it took to create. And you're not even discussing the details of backgrounds. The backgrounds in the original, especially when they enter this ghost town are drawn impeccably and fit the atmosphere. In the newer version they just seem so lackluster. It doesn't provide any atmosphere outside from being a background. And to be fair about the vaccination scene, Gon looked through a dark thicket to spot a moving shadow in the cover of darkness. Leorio's scene is pretty out in the open, plenty of time to adjust his eyes, and is staring at a fixed target. It's not an unbelievable scene. But I didn't like how bright the scene looks in the new one. In the original and the manga, they both have Gon stand for a moment, scan the area, and instantly react to movements. In the new one they show them immediately sprinting in their direction, not really showing the impressiveness of this feat, didn't like this at all. Felt less impressive. I agree that the new one stays faithful to the manga, but in all honesty the old one stayed close enough that I wasn't pointing out when it happened. And while the new one looks shiny, the old one just has a certain nostalgic feeling, as well as showing off just how stunning hand-drawn animation can be. It had feeling and depth, that I just feel are slightly missing in the new one. Maybe it's me being overly nostalgic, and maybe I will change my opinion in time. But maybe it also has to deal with I like old Gon's va.. not new Gon.. I suppose Killua must make the difference! |
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I may not be discussing the backgrounds in detail, and I agree with you that they're superb in Nippon Animation's adaptation. The studio has always excelled in that department at the very least. But I can't say that the new backgrounds are "lackluster"...if anything, I think that Madhouse manages its colors better (whereas Nippon Animation took the risk of incorporating really dark blacks with brighter colors to create a piercing contrast gradient, which added to the mood of the series and made the background art beautiful). Because of digital animation, the backgrounds are sharper and more detailed as well. I think judging them boils down to a matter of opinion. I think both are spectacular, but the reasons why I think so are different. Quote:
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Episode 2 was better than episode 1 in that it was slower pace so it was easier to take in the world.
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It actually seems more like your trying too hard to find fault with the 1999 version, and sometimes even up being factually wrong. I know you're upset about people comparing the two versions but you have to understand the Nippon Animation version was good and not only that but exceptional to the point where is considered one of the best anime series of all time, despite its faults, so its a hard act to follow. And no nostalgia has nothing to do with it, as I've come across plenty of people who have recently watched the 1999 version and have admitted to it being one of the best anime that they've ever seen for many of those people it actually changed their minds about filler episodes (the fact that you have to know exactly what happened in the manga to be able to tell them apart from canon events should be telling enough) because of how on point it was in terms of characterization (and even the changes and additions they made--even though they weren't overt-- would later on fit in anyway in later arcs- making any complaints in this area moot). This is a world of difference between this and FMA whose first adaptation did its own thing and ended up with an end result that is best described as YMMV, because in this case if someone hates the 1999 version then chances are they'll hate the manga and subsequently the 2011 re-make too. Right now Madhouse either has to do better than the 1999 adaptation (which will be hard) or go home. Your gonna have to get over this fact because that's the truth. Last edited by wisteria233; 2011-10-11 at 09:05. |
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