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2009-04-01, 20:42 | Link #25 | |
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But you reacting as if that post was directed at one specific religion.... well.... read it again more carefully. Interesting that you automatically assumed.... I've seen violence committed by radical Christians, Jews, Hindi, and radicals from other religions because someone "disrespected" their religion by not deferring to it. Such violence is just unacceptable (example: radicals bombing Planned Parenthood clinics, assassinating doctors, etc). I'm saying is that no belief system should expect any special deference from critique, examination, or expect to have no elements of it used in fiction. In terms of this thread - no one should be afraid to select elements of any religion and use it in their creation of fictional entertainment. Anyone recall the opening theme of Kemeko DX and some of its religious references? Purely silly.... (though I'm sure it'd offend someone somewhere.... :P )
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2009-04-01, 21:33 | Link #27 |
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Hey, I understand the sensitivity... when the US authorities started profiling Muslims and "arab" appearing people, my wife (japanese-american) immediately made comparisons to how American citizens of Japanese heritage were persecuted and put in prison camps after Pearl Harbor. One of our local lawyers (I live in the US Northwest), Brandon Mayfield, who is Muslim was horribly investigated by the FBI in a big botch after the Spain train bombings. The later apology from the authorities was pathetic and insincere - and seriously damaged their credibility.
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2009-04-01, 21:48 | Link #29 | |
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Here, in a Gundam 00 doujinshi, for example, if Marina is portrayed as a bitch, AND a hardcore Muslim, for example, I have no doubt many Muslim individuals would be offended at how lack of commitment she is (all it takes is some little sexual pleasure for a Muslim to throw away her beliefs and values?) Sadly, this exploits the psychology of men (the very way incest and student-teacher relationship work), and if writers didn't know this is a specific taboo directs at Muslim, bunch of this would float around already (moaning the very holy name of Muhammad?) Of course, fiction is fictional, violence is wrong. People still have the reason to be angry (a good recent case in anime would be Hetalia Axis power). Last edited by Cinocard; 2009-04-01 at 22:51. |
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2009-04-01, 22:12 | Link #30 |
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This is whats wrong. The perception that people have a right to chimp out about any slight, percieved or real, is counter productive. Theres racism, sexism, etc. Things that affect people's lives. Then theres religion.
If I say something nasty about a god or goddess, thats one thing. If I don't hire someone or beat someone up because I dont agree with their religion, thats another. Religious people who stir up real trouble in their rightous indignation over a cartoon or a television personalities commentary are the ones who need to pull it back, not the cartoonist or the commetator. The cartoonist and the commentator arnt affecting anything, theyre just stating their opinion. |
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2009-04-01, 22:30 | Link #33 | |
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2009-04-01, 22:35 | Link #34 |
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Not if it is generalization or it is an ignortant view on certain group of people. Of course those protests shouldn't lead to those violent act but those cartoonist or commentator should know the boundary and respect the view of other religion. The blame goes to both side imo.
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2009-04-01, 22:40 | Link #35 | |
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But the thread is about "muslims in anime" and how they're represented.... so far we've seen very little representation and at least some of the lack of that appears to be due to the fear of intimidation ....
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2009-04-01, 22:44 | Link #36 |
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To many Muslims, Islam is still at the stage whereby criticism is simply not tolerated. Hey, for something to claims to be the final version of Word of God, "building" on Judaism and Christianity, that is to be expected. The other two had their moments in the past. Eventually, we say "to hell with that".
Well, guess what? These people can choose to remain where the world, while the rest of the world move on.
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2009-04-01, 22:49 | Link #38 | |
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How is a cartoonist or a commentator different from a politician? Imagine a dirty joke. If it's used toward a friend, it's normal. If it's used toward a stranger, it's mostly offensive. Yet why doesn't the stranger understand it the way the close friend does? Is that stranger wrong? Not really. Things can be looked at in many ways, and may they all be correct. But because things can be seen in many ways, we mustn't resort to extreme methods till we have definite, conclusive evidences, and the negative consequences are plain and obvious. However, extremists are often self-centered people who tend to think too much and bent others' words in the most adverse ways. And that's when we call them extremists. |
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