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2006-08-22, 18:55 | Link #43 |
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It’s a bit of an unfair comparison since SDF Macross is one of the most convincing portrayals of military action I’ve yet seen in anime. It had two ideas that few shows, Gundam or not, share: mecha are war machines, and there’s absolutely nothing special about them; and a single pilot can contribute to a war, but the conflict is far too big for that pilot to prove completely pivotal. It’s not every show that has two final battles, but the protagonist still plays very small roles in both cases.
Sadly, Zeta Gundam does not do any of these as it promotes the ability of an individual pilot to greatly influence a war.
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2006-08-24, 20:28 | Link #46 |
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Even if Destiny stole 100% of its ideas from Zeta, it would still execute them differently. Therefore, it's quite legitimate to prefer one (much) more than the other.
Of course, I'm highly skeptical of your claim that 1/3 of Destiny is taken from Zeta in the first place. Do you have any evidence to back it up?
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2006-08-24, 20:50 | Link #47 |
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There are a couple things I can think of (although they are not quite up to 1/3 of Zeta, not even close).
Psycho Gundam - Destroy Gundam Stellar - Four Those were the obvious ones. But Shinn is no Kamille, and thank Goddess GSD isn't as dark. Geez, watching Zeta is like watching a propaganda film on "how to quickly end your life by taking a dose of cyanide ". - Tak |
2006-08-24, 21:03 | Link #48 | |
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And just to add something about Zeta.. it's seriously overrated. Overall, it was a decent series, but not one that deserves all the praise it gets. |
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2006-08-24, 21:24 | Link #49 | |
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Almost every Gundam Takes from other ones...Dont tell me when you were watching Seed you were not thinking...This is ridiclous close to MGS. Second, I agree on Zeta. Alot of people praise it as the best...OBviously just because they kill off over half the cast. Its like so having the majority of people die makes it a great thing...look at VII, People act like it created videogame deaths lol. But the problem was with Zeta...It just became so predictable because of it. Lets just keep killing people off. Its like I can see them saying"Need more deaths"
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2006-08-24, 22:15 | Link #50 |
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The Stellar – Four comparison was the most obvious one to me as well. Unfortunately, one of the worst ideas in Zeta ended up as one of the worst ideas in Destiny.
While Zeta is a little on the depressing side, I'm sort of curious as to why so many people call it dark. After all, most of those deaths don't occur until the very end, and it's not as if they really affected the story all that much. I don't think that lots of characters dying is necessarily either a good thing or a bad thing. It comes down to how well it's executed, and whether they serve the story or not. In Zeta's case, the deaths don't really contribute to anything, but they don't really detract from anything either. It's almost as if the creators were trying to deliver some sort of message with them, but it sort of got muddled along the way.
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2006-08-24, 23:54 | Link #52 | |
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I pretty much liken Zeta to the Da Vinci Code movie, and how I was checking my watch every five minutes because I wanted to be over and done with it. Most of all I hate Zeta because I was told by at least twenty people that it was basically god's gift to the Gundam franchise and I was disappointed to find that it was anything but.
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2006-08-25, 03:31 | Link #53 | |
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Judging by your stance on Zeta there's pretty much no point in arguing my point as I'll make about as much headway with my argument as I'd make with Obi-Wan (Read None) I mean really Obi-Wan, you never really even mention any aspect of Zeta be it a character, arc, narrative or well anything that annoyed you about it, you'll mention the character, but just that they suck or that the story is boring, but never why. Its like you've never even seen it or well finished it at least, but you hate it like it was the spawn of Satan himself. But You do like G Gundam, which is one of my favorites so at least we agree on something, that and TV-Nihon and Deacon Blues big mouth. It's just every single time someone decides to do a topic about any Gundam series other than Seed and Seed Destiny you're there to tell us how much you hate that Gundam Series, that's good that's nice at least the show has a supporter on this board, I don't particularly like Seed Destiny, but whatever. But if someone does like Zeta or any other UC series, why do you always have to start a pissing contest with them. Without, UC Gundam there would be no Seed or Seed Destiny, so I can't see how you can hate it so much. Sure it went on forever and got a bit stale at times, but without it, no AU, period, we would have an unremarkable one shot called Freedom Fighter Gunboy instead. To some people its there series is greater than every other and everything else has no right to exist. It's a no win situation, some people just hate it. I didn't expect this to turn into a bash Zeta thread but I guess its a change from the usual bash Seed Destiny which has been done to death, sure it was bad but at least its somewhat interesting when put into SD Gundam Game scenarios. Zeta shows its age I know and a lot of the time it feels like they just launch into battle for the sake of it every episode, but the characters had a lasting impression on me, thats why I like it. Oh and its an oft held assumption that Tomino would kill off his cast so that he wouldn't be forced to right a sequel. He was constantly trying to escape from Gundam but Bandai kept chasing him down to make a new one. Sometimes it got a little overkill though like in Dunbine. Last edited by Kaioshin Sama; 2006-08-25 at 04:11. |
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Zeta's new cast of characters was a lot more likeable than GSD's, I'll give it that. And it has better battles, but I don't watch it for battles alone. I just don't understand why the fact that I watched all 50 episodes of Zeta and was bored with the story altogether doesn't qualify as enough reason to say I hated it. Like I said, so many people said it was the best Gundam series and I was extremely disappointed because it got my hopes up.
Even though I wouldn't classify GSD as a "great" series, it was at least done in an entertaining enough way that I didn't have to keep my eye on the clock during each episode. And I don't hate all non-SEED or G Gundam shows. I've said many times here that MSG and the UC OVAs are very good and powerful stories. I just have a problem with Zeta and Victory because of the pacing and lack of an engaging story. Victory I've only seen 29 episodes of and it's so boring I doubt I'll ever finish it.
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It doesn't matter if GSD is based off Zeta. In addition to individual taste, the order you watch them may also be a factor. If one became a Gundam fan by watching Wing / Seed / Seed Destiny and then go on to watch Zeta, I would think it'll be extremely difficult to prefer Zeta for the sole reason that it's not Wing / Seed / Seed Destiny and doesn't have Heero / Kira / Shinn / whoever.
It sorts of remind me of the Final Fantasy VI & VII argument. The large majority of RPG fans that played VI first claim it's the best FF ever and VII is a pile of crap. But VII was the first RPG to become mainstream and introduced a lot of gamers to RPGs (I was one of them). Naturally, VII is my favorite RPG of all time. Now all these veteran RPG gamers keep telling me VII is overrated and I should play classics such as VI or Chrono Trigger or Dragon Quest V, but no matter how much I want to like them, I'm always left disappointed. It's not really fair but that's reality. |
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Oh 4Tran you're whole most people who don't like older shows wouldn't be watching them anyway, yeah, nail on the head right there. |
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2006-08-25, 14:47 | Link #58 |
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I thought one of the reasons zeta was great is being one of the first dark-themed animes (by killing people off), and the later shows kind of follow suit? I dunno what the standard of pacing was back then, but maybe being episodic is desirable to keep first timers and once-in-a-while watchers interested. Dont take my word for it tho; zeta is the only old anime that I've ever watched XD;
One of the reasons I love zeta is because of the suits. Zeta's design was beautiful, and Titans Mk-II is still on the top of my fave list X) |
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@obi-wan gsd was entertaining at first then when the old cast came back as the good guys, well it's safe to say gsd jumped the shark. i never liked the seed cast (sans rau, fllay,(not at first) yzak,natarle and some times kira)
here's why kira:yet another accidental gundam pilot and he bacame dead boring after he got freedom. athrun: i've seen his kind too many times. mwu: he could have reminded me of servral people examples are ryu jose,straight cougar, kaji(nge) and unfortunetly slegger law. thoose guy had lots of moments, mwu had his death and well one moment dosen't make a character. dearka: a failed version of chiboode(sp?) crocket. murrue:a big boobed idiot. nicol: very under developed. tolle:same thing. sai and kuzzey: useless. lacus: a stinking mary sue. cagalli: a failed version of relena. andy: liked him at first then when he came back he was arg. azreal and patrick: they're praticlly dbz villians. uzumi: a ripoff of relena's father.(not the real one) astray girls and druggies: lacked development so i could neither like or hate them. as for the cast of zeta the guys i hated are wong and thoose annoying little kids!had no problem with new cast of gsd. @guy above me, same here!
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So you don't like SEED characters. Whatever. What does that have to do with Zeta being boring and a complete let down to me?
And ROFL at most of those comparisons. DBZ villains...lawl what a crock of donkey shit.
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