2014-12-26, 14:05 | Link #101 |
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To be honest the lack of character development for a lot of its cast is the only problem about Angel Beats! that registers with me. Whatever zigzags the story made didn't bother me since I felt from the outset that this was gonna be one of those shows that just didn't give a damn. And remember what finished airing the year before? Methinks that's a tough act to follow.
After Story > Refrain >= Kanon '06 > Angel Beats! = Clannad > Little Busters! > Air, imo. AB!'s one of those things I go to for the story. The comedy. The antics. It'd go perfect with a game of one of these things is not like the other Spoiler for Angel Beats!:
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2014-12-26, 16:23 | Link #102 | |
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Just because a story is told a bit sloppily at times doesn't mean that the writers of that story don't care about it. Anyway, my own ranking of the Key anime is probably the same as your own, except I'd switch Little Busters! with Angel Beats!
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2014-12-26, 16:34 | Link #103 |
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Angel Beats is a story about the school being a healing place. I don't know why anyone can take it seriously.
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2014-12-26, 19:45 | Link #106 |
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I think Angel Beats was a disaster altogether, and it being twice as long would just have meant it was twice as horrible. But I don't see it as an issue of Maeda over indulging his tendencies as Maeda experimenting and failing spectacularly.
If there's a "classic" Maeda story, to me it's Clannad and After-story. It's Maeda without anyone really checking his excesses. There's genuine emotion but it's swamped in a sea of emotional manipulation and forced sentimentality.
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2014-12-27, 01:04 | Link #109 | |
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I largely agree with your Key ranking (Though AB is at the bottom with Air, now if you want Maeda excess, that's that!) , though I do not think Clannad and Clannad AS should be regarded as separate entities, likewise with Little Busters and Refrain. If we do that I think Refrain is better than After Story, but Clannad as a whole I like more because Tomoyo is in it. xD However, there is no way the first halves of either can be fairly compared to the standalone anime series because they don't have a climax and aren't complete stories so of course they won't have the same effect. And likewise Refrain is the last third of the anime series there, so that's kind of a problem too. Clannad in particular because they had to pretty much neuter the biggest impacts of its individual routes (and it wastes tons of time-- while Little Busters could be said to do the same, at least it's plot critical for it to do as such), while say Kanon gets to mindlessly smash all its storylines together whether it makes sense or not, but it manged to throw all its burst damage out.
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It's conceivable that Maeda viewed much of the AB! cast as just gimmicky joke characters, as many of them did in fact tend to be utilized that way. Maeda's decision to focus on a core group of characters may well have more to do with his own character preferences than anything else. Quote:
My view is that Angel Beats! had its strong points and its weak points and both had little-to-nothing to do with time constraints (I honestly was fine with much of the cast being gimmicky joke characters). Doubling the length would likely just double the good and double the bad.
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Clannad >= Little Busters! > Kanon '06 > Angel Beats! > Air I've only watched Air once, it's probably more coherent than AB!, but it's also the only Key work to legitimately bore me most of the time. Okay at least it has the best ending along with LB! but Key doesn't offer much competition tho. And I put LB! a bit below Clannad 'cause I don't recall the former setting up themes within themes the way Clannad did. Like in After Story you can see every theme from the first season start to come together that makes the thing cohesive. LB!'s set-up kind of amounted to Spoiler for Little Busters! Refrain:
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However, the rocket chairs are funny. I'm sure they would have been great use in Hana Saku Iroha or Shirobako. Sup Tarou. Quote:
so that seems to be an anime issue rather than a Key issue, though certainly it didn't help either. =p If you compare progression, Kanon made a half assed attempt to make one unified story, and Clannad made a real attempt at the expense of some of its routes. Little Busters just had the advantage of being more suited to being an anime.
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2014-12-27, 18:29 | Link #115 |
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For the record, this is the reason why people think Angel Beats would've been better with two cours. I think the interview definitely gives the impression (albeit translated by Sankaku Complex) that the story needed more episodes to cover the whole thing and that's actually why they expanded it into a multimedia franchise by printing a "prequel" light novel before the anime. I agree with the assessment that Angel Beats' biggest problem was its lack of time and I think it showed in the anime what with how rushed the plot points were. I think it also shows in the Angel Beats manga which is in stark contrast to the anime: it has none of the time constraints that the anime did, and not coincidentally has none of pacing issues and nonsensical plot developments that the anime had.
Personally, I think Angel Beats needed three cours to be perfect. XP
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2014-12-30, 20:29 | Link #116 |
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Well a lot of it definitely is chalked up to inexperience with anime time constraints, however I certainly feel the storytelling was fundamentally flawed. I don't say it was without value, but if the anime has the same kind of atmosphere and emphasis, then I just don't dig it. Every Key animu I've seen could have used its time a bit better. Maybe, just maybe Little Busters could have been 4 cours or somethig.
It depends. I think True Tears could have been better as 26 episodes. And Hana Saku Iroha better as 13. But they didn't, so we have 2 great anime that often degenerated into clusterfucks at times. And Another should have just been a movie /runs away And again, I like every show that is mentioned, but I think a true masterwork has it sights from the first moment and not just straddle you with promises of "I can do better, I can do better". I've heard that too much. I really hate to say this, but so can everyone else.
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2014-12-31, 04:39 | Link #117 |
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Glad AB was only 1 cour tbh. 2 cours would have just meant it would have been twice as bad. Then again, that's the case with all Key based animes with the exception of After Story for me.
And no True Tears being 13 episodes was fine. Was the perfect length. |
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