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However, for whatever reason, they felt that Kanata wasn't mean enough during the confrontation part and made her go over the limit.
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And yes please don't venture far in this thread or you will find nasty unmarked spoilers! I know you know this, but I'm just saying, there are some very juicy bits the anime hasn't got to yet... With that premise, I cannot think of an explanation... |
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Okay, let's see what they missed with Kanata for the last 2 episodes:
1) they watered down her reactions regarding the flyers 2) they skipped that scene where Kanata confronts Haruka if the latter was the one who told people she was Kanata's sister. This is important because not only it shows that it is actually more detrimental to Haruka than Kanata, but also that Kanata was on the verge of dropping the hardass pretense, nearly calling her with Haruka's name 3) Kanata's comment that Haruka is going to self destruction at this rate, and as result that "she isn't chasing out Haruka for the sake of destroy her, but to the contrary, preventing her to break". 4) Likewise, the "inhuman" part is also dropped fully, which also prevents people to understand why she doesn't really like Riki and the rest that much (mention that "Riki is inhuman as well"). 5) Skipping the part where Haruka is trying hard to recover documents about her birth, which could have been done even better in the anime since the LB is complete as a group, despite in the VN route, only Riki was helping her. 6) The most important point: they screwed Kanata's impersonation attempt, as she was trying to make Riki GIVE UP on finding the truth. People will think she was trying to steal Riki, but that's the complete opposite: she wanted to make him stop digging further in the Saigusa/Futaki business because Haruka's current state is not going to cut it: regardless what is the truth, it will damage Haruka even more, explaining why her parents and Shou wanted to statu quo. Really, they screwed so much I can't believe they call themselves "caring for the details". Sure, the route felt utterly slow with characters beating around the bush several times (especially Haruka's parents), but that was actually required to have a further understanding why knowing the truth is -not- important. The only point that they managed to convey in a timely manner was Kanata's severe injuries on her arms that Kudo could have seen even in the dark. I surely hope they don't screw that raining scene, because that is the crux of Kanata's conflicted position before the actual revelations in the end. If they skip the "You aren't God" and "I was born a liar", I will just break a fuse.
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Well, Klash, I can certainly see why you and some other VN-players are upset. The degree of divergence between anime!Kanata and game!Kanata is indeed quite massive now going by what you wrote.
In fact, the change is so great that I'm wondering if it's not a deliberate characterization shift on the part of JC Staff. In other words, perhaps we're looking at an intentional character reinterpretation. Perhaps JC Staff wants Kanata to come off as this highly colorful and embittered girl with a real mean streak towards her sister since her sister has what she wants (including a possible relationship with Riki, and the broader camaraderie within the Little Busters). I can't say for sue if I'd prefer that or not over game!Kanata, but I can kind of see why JC Staff has taken the course they have. Honestly, anime!Kanata does sound more fun than game!Kanata given the way you describe game!Kanata. But then, game!Kanata might be more nuanced, in fairness. Let's see how the rest of the Haruka/Kanata arc goes. And yeah, I'll probably take my leave from this thread now so I don't get spoiled, so if anybody wants to reply to me over a specific point I've made, please reply to it by PM.
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With the foreknowledge of the outlines of Kud's route, and the insecurities that Kud holds, I think the Kanata-Haruka situation, and the collapse in relations between Kanata and the rest of Kud's friendship circle actually becomes even more acute. Actually, I have a suspicion that Kud's route may well begin very soon after Haruka's route ends, and the implications of the Haruka route, and Kanata's role in it would probably bleed over into Kud's basic insecurities of not fitting in.
From Kud's perspective, you fear you are merely being tolerated, while fully aware you stick out like a sore thumb. And now, your room-mate, whom you are friends with has gotten into a horrific dispute with the general circle of friends you managed to acquire by some miracle. I think if the director is creative enough, the Haruka route may well bring forth Kud's insecurities to the fore. And if they are going full on friendship for Kud, I suspect that what's happening between Kanata and the rest of the Little Busters may well be a trigger for the main friendship related point in Kud's route - mainly, acceptance in a foreign country rather infamous for not accepting foreigners easily. To Kud, I think the whole situation is reminding her starkly how potentially fragile (from her viewpoint, though Riki would clearly vehemently disagree) her relationships are. It depends on whether Kud would play an even greater Anime Original role in the Haruka route adaptation, but I think if the script is written well enough, the anime could be able to slide into the Kud route straight after the Haruka route, since Kud's awkward position in the Haruka route would gel thematically well with her insecurities. |
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And considering people reactions I've seen left and right, the majority miss the point of Kanata's position exactly because JC staff writers had the "good" idea to brush over critical scenes that would give much more nuance and actual humanity to Kanata, instead of hamfisting a sadistic nature. Even if they at least kept the "unhappy talk" and her nostalgic talk with Kudo (and yet people didn't notice how she was brushing her hair ornament being the EXACT same as Haruka's), but was completely brushed aside with the "do you like me?" smile moment. It is just gratuitious and will lead to even more problem for the conclusion and potentially her own arc, if JC staff decides to give a go for her route. Quote:
After all her slipped hints by Kanata herself, making her trying to do something over the top as in this episode just make the whole thing -backwards-.
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Still I don't think the anime missed the point that Masato was genuinely angry at Yuiko and even Haruka (their fight scene), but the playful nature of the story always ensured it was still fairly comedic/light hearted. Quote:
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Anyhow there is one main difference between the anime and the visual novel. Every route was a loop in the visual novel, the anime has had no loops. Presumably Riki's weakness will surface up towards the end of the first loop (probably coinciding with the first season end). At least I would hope so. Yes the adaption certainly could be better in parts (Particularly how they did Komari's route), but I keep reading comments about how JC staff completely butchered the source and that sort of hyperbole is just not productive. If people want to know what butchering a source is like they should see JC staff's Tsukihime. Quote:
The thing with refrain to me was how strikingly different he became (when he went violent mode especially). He really was just fooling around like a bumbling idiot the entire time. So for me, while his silliness is indeed increased a little bit, I don't think the anime's interpretation of his antics are too far off from how I personally imagined it. Quote:
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This is probably leading to the major issues with the pacing: Komari's route being too early, but also events taking a lion share of screen time, whereas they skipped the most obvious stuff around: a lot of the baseball practice (I'm not even sure if people remember the LB will have to compete in a match). It would have been vastly better if they simply cut out the unknown lifeform/test of courage episode, and shortened few episodes (such like Episode 1-3 being extremely longwinded with the flashbacks and narcolepsy/secret of the world). Quote:
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So far, I just... don't get why they made so many changes that would hurt them on the long run (Riki and Rin's "strength", Kengo's status, Kanata's changes, hints of routes done (Rin2 white clothes) despite it is "confirmed" they are downright in a loop already, etc). It is just that they don't have a real sense of continuity as far as it goes. Quote:
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Episode 16 1) Haruka cooking some cakes 2) Kanata's interaction with Komari, Yuiko and Riki 3) Bench scene (can actually be linked with the former) 4) LB conforting Haruka and got a eerie impression with her parents 5) Cliffhanger on the flier incident Episode 17: 6) Backstory 7) Kanata facing Haruka (sister mention) 8) LB helping Haruka to find out records etc 9) First twin switch 10) Facing off Shou Episode 18 would have been 11) Twin switch 2 12) Kanata against the Saigusa 13) 2 Haruka scene then the rain scene Episode 19 14) Haruka fine to ask help from Kanata: 15) Dogeza => twins making up 16) Conclusion The first 2 episodes are more crammed because of the events are flowing better in quick succession, while the rest require longer exposition.
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After watching a second time the last episode (masochism tendency I guess), something jumped on me despite I probably should have been caught off guard the first time around: since when Riki is prone to say "We also hate you!"?
Sure he often felt Kanata's presence was obnoxious (except the few times she opens up), but to that extent...? Really now?
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Well Riki admitted to Kanata he was drunk with his desire to save Haruka and thus became arrogant about it.
Then there's Kanata zero-sum game of happiness speech.I think her speech could applied to both the characters and the viewers. Just because we saw Haruka being unhappy and sad,we could put all the blame and hate on Kanata. It was kinda out of Riki's character but I like it.It show he isn't some lame wimpy or goody two-shoes MC. |
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But then the quality would be eons worse, so I can't say I would love that. Last edited by Kudryavka; 2013-02-06 at 15:28. |
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It reminds me of Tales of Phantasia. You play and view the main characters as the "good" guys. It was not until the very end of the game that you learned that it's not black and white like you thought it initially was.
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Ok, in the anime they said that if Kanata was ever nice to Haruka, then the family would kill Haruka...
Where did this turn up in the game? Must be in Kanata's route or a single line I missed in Refrain, or something up to huge interpretation. Please tell me it is in the game somewhere and JC Staff didn't just throw that in there. |
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I believe it was in the same place. In the Haruka's VN route it mentioned being "culled". I have a feeling either the VN or the anime translation is a bit off somewhere. Which one is right, I'm not quite sure though. Honestly, the anime translation made more sense. |
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They already messed up a lot of things with Kanata already anyway.
For instance, there is no way for Kanata to just leave the family like that, otherwise, her route would NOT make sense whatsoever. That being said, it is indeed mentioned in the VN that the family forced her the role, otherwise they will just dispose one of them. The original japanese game use "間引く" which does mean "cull". So the anime translation is completely off.
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