2008-06-24, 12:50 | Link #1781 |
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I have been spending some time thinking out Syn now, and I discovered the source of one of the stumbleblocks. As you know, Syn is linked to Vivio, and much of her character progresion and development are linked to Vivio. However, we don't know anything on how Vivio will progress. What will her personallity be? What magic style will she use? How will she use it? What will her device be? What will her goal be when she joins the TSAB? Will she join the TSAB?
So I've comes to ask advice, and give my own analysis of what a 'canon' Vivio would look like. Me being me, this means that instead of going out and invent stuff, I like to stick to the things canon has given us. So lets begin: Vivio: Her personallity. The basics of a character, and arguably one of the easier parts. If we look at StrikerS, we see a girl who is always looking for warmth, always looking for people to care, and be cared about. We also see a very inquisitive girl, who likes to learn, as shown when she watches videos of her mothers lessons. We also know that she is a crybaby, and while I believe that she will grow out of crying about everything, I still think that her quick tears are a part of her personallity. Lastly, during the final episodes, we see a girl who wants to stand on her own legs, and even though she loves her mother, she doesn't want to rely on her for everything, and wants to become strong. Vivio: Her goals. This is where things become harder. While I think her joining the TSAB won't be in much question, the real question becomes 'what will her goals be?' will she follow her mother and become an instructor? Will she follow Hayate and become an investigator? Will she follow Fate and become an Enforcer? Or will she follow Subaru and become a member of the Disaster Managment? My personal opinion is that she will follow either Fate the Wolkenritter's path. Her experience is similar to Fate and Hayate, in that she was saved by the people who loved her. This could put her down a path that would make her want to keep the things that happened to her happen to other people. Also, since her goal near the end of StrikerS is to 'become strong' rather then 'to teach' being on the investigator/enforcer or combat division path sounds more logical for Vivio. The question then becomes: Which path? Either way you could make a case for it. As an Investigator/Enforcer, she would be able to seek out and safe people a la Fate, but as a member of the Combat Division, she would have ample oportunity to grow stronger. Vivio: Her magic style. Again a case with much diversity among the fanbase. Some say she goes Belkan, others say she will mimic her mother and go Mid. Me? I like to work with what we have, rather then grab in the air. Canon gives us Belkan magic, a rainbow collored magic collor, a penchant to melee and ranged attacks seemingly going for mid-range Concidering a few of her abillities, we have this: Spoiler:
Now this is interesting, because it means two things: One, Vivio has a biological automated self-defence, which is apparently powerfull enough to trash a truck and several drones (due to a lack of detail lets just say it was a huge magical explosion a la Diabolic Emision) and second, she has the abillity to 'copy' spells. Now we know that she studied video's of Nanoha giving lessons, so it is probably done through seeing a spell in action. How much time is needed for her to copy is unknown, but I expect it to be a long-term thing. How much of Nanoha's attacks she has learned is unknown, but it is not unrealistic to assume she has learned and converted all of them. She seems to favor using the Belkan ones, which ties in with the rest of her combat scenes. The Armor of the Saint King is still subject of debate, even in canon, but as it has been stated by Quattro to require a Relic to be able to be used to full efficiency, dubbing it as her having a powerfull defence potentional seems adequite. It should be at least that much, concidering Quattro said she could survive Dieci's S-rank blast, and it ties with her Belkan style as well. Vivio: Her Device and Barrier Jacket. And lastly, the case which has the widest diversety of all. Vivio's Device and Barrier Jacket. Her Jacket and Device's appearance are easy for me, sticking with what canon has given us ends us up with her black/purple Jacket which was based of Nanoha's, and her purple/green Device on her hands, which looks like a Device meant to augument her melee abillities, concidering the knuckles. This only leaves us with the name of the Device. So far I haven't found any clues as to what it is called, and while I have no doubt that the Device is Belkan in origin, its name is a key matter in writing Vivio. ------- So far my view on what a canon Vivio would be in the future. Any opinions, hints to unknown factors, or corrections are much apreciated. Last edited by Keroko; 2008-06-25 at 08:18. |
2008-06-24, 12:53 | Link #1782 |
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Keyblade Devices? I don't think Keyblades inherently strike me as being intelligent devices. As for me, I am a compendium of magic and pseudo-magic knowledge, so while I like KH, I also like Slayers, and a large number of other games and anime. What ideas do you have for them, Keyblade Devices? What of Nobodies, Heartless, and the new race? Will they have appearance?
As well, does that mean you agree with the idea of the new Mid magic being like Wisdom Form? It seems different enough from long range that Mid typically uses. As for the Velka vs. Mid magic debate, that seems to be a good way to describe it, although it seems simplistic. Plus, what about the Dragon Flash? I don't think it was energy enhanced sword, but I could be wrong, and it was in Serpent Form, so who knows. Also, someone who likes Slayers. Do you like fighting games? I know a game you would like, especially when it's completed, as it has characters from Nanoha and Slayers in it fighting, with the current demo featuring Lina and Nanoha. |
2008-06-24, 12:53 | Link #1783 | |
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New Antioch's Main Street resembles Crenagan City's equivalent in many ways, and with the rapid progress made by Ordered Space since the Great Apocalpyse, I half-expect a Japan situation in fashion there: rave youngsters and business suits interspearsed with traditional Belka wear. New Antioch is a fictional city added by me, and is the capital of the Belka SAR, which I mentally combined the likes of Hong Kong, Israel and Vatican City into one package. The Monarch Church sits near the outlying regions of New Antioch, surrounded by a pilgrim town. Hence it is well connected with the rest of the planet, and yet is full of unspoiled greenery.
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2008-06-24, 12:56 | Link #1784 |
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Can Vivio copy any spell, or just spells which merely require power output? In other words, can she copy summons?
- Canon inquiry: what sort of magic and spells have been seen used by civilians not attached to the TSAB, if any? As in, what parts of magic is considered "everyday", rather than something restricted? In the flashback to the airport fire, Ginga had raised a small barrier to protect a few other people. Is this considered okay, or was she bending the rules for an emergency? |
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As for the rest of her magical repertoire, again it is up to the author. Because we could have her more of a defensive fighter who specializes in shields, fields, and barriers like the way I've presently configured Vivio, or we can have her something akin to Subaru in the sense that she's more close-combat oriented, or she can become a Jack-of-all-trades kind of character. Vivio: Her Device and Barrier Jacket. And lastly, the case which has the widest diversety of all. Vivio's Device and Barrier Jacket. Her Jacket and Device's appearance are easy for me, sticking with what canon has given us ends us up with her black/purple Jacket which was based of Nanoha's, and her purple/green Device on her hands, which looks like a Device meant to augument her melee abillities, concidering the knuckles. This only leaves us with the name of the Device. So far I haven't found any clues as to what it is called, and while I have no doubt that the Device is Belkan in origin, its name is a key matter in writing Vivio.[/QUOTE] For that, I'll say this: Go wild and have fun with it [within reason of course ].
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Point to Keroko: Data Collection and the copying of spells is probably done through observation, as pointed out with the bit of her watching Nanoha's lessons. If so, she's probably that good to figure out how a spell works simply by observation and not the kind of 'place her next to a mage and copy-pasta their spells by standing there'. And quite the useful notes there. Should be useful in the future. Quote:
I'll say telepathy and spells that move objects to be the baseline. Any where higher is pretty vague. As for Ginga it's probably ok since she was already a recruit of the GF at that time.
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If the Heartless make appearances in Comacanon, they'll do so in Vivio's era, about five years after StrikerS, as the results of Al-Hazardian experiments in biomagical weapons; spiritual zombies of sorts, rather than beings feeding on peoples hearts. Organization XIII would be advanced heartless who've lasted long enough to regain their intelligence and a great deal of magical power. I actually went ahead and thought this out a while ago, but it got set to the side when I started on Comacanon. There's still a very good chance we'll see the Heartless show up in Comacanon at some point, but for the moment I'm more worried about the Carpathan Syndicate. Odds are good one of the members is also a member of Organization XIII, though. Quote:
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2008-06-24, 13:15 | Link #1788 |
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She couldn't copy formal summons I imagine (Like Voltaire as mentioned) because you need to form a contract with the thing being summoned. So while she might be capable of copying the spell she couldn't summon anything since no contract existed.
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2008-06-24, 13:20 | Link #1789 | |
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In terms of learning spells, I say that she'd just observe and then be able to learn the techniques. However, her mastery over them would be dismal considering she would only know how to use them, but not effectively, without practice. As for summons, it would require most likely a contract of some sorts, considering that it's natural that intelligent creatures would not let themselves be summoned without their expressed permission.
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2008-06-24, 13:37 | Link #1790 |
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Hmm, interesting ideas. What I meant with Wisdom Form was more along the lines of how it is meant to function, not necessarily identical to it.
Nobodies are different from Heartless though. Should they not have a different backstory, perhaps victims who survived attacks from the Heartless. I believe Velkans could be capable of energy, as fire is a form of energy, as is ice, and darkness, or whatever it is Diabolic Emission is. |
2008-06-24, 13:50 | Link #1791 |
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Capable, yes, but it's not what they specialize in.
*EDIT* Also, Diabolic Emission is used by Hayate, who is classified as a Mage Knight and can use both the Mid and the Belka systems with equal proficiency. As for the Nobodies, I'm at a loss as to explain them. Let's see if I can dig up the details of my old work on the Heartless.... Ahah, don't have my notes, but here's what I posted on my old forums while asking for assistance with this. Spoiler for Heartless Basics:
The Heartless are akin to a magical virus which seek out and consume spiritual energies, spreading themselves as they do so. Those heartless which survive long enough eventually regain their sentience and can bend the power of darkness into a variety of forms unknown to Mid mages and Belkan knights. The average "evolved" heartless is about A-rank to S-rank, with the most powerful going as high as SS or SSS. Most of these evolved heartless make up Organization XIII, with the mindless predators instinctually following their commands.
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Problem is the difference in culture. If the Tang are based on China, then we are like polar oposites.
I can only give a quick stolen edited scan of the end result. Still needs work though: Spoiler for It took a while before Syn got used to walking around in public with it:
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I'm liking Vivio even more ~~~~ Umm...right...nothing to report yet... Still working on several things at the same time Maybe I'll post something later, as in...next week? *warps away*
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But she looks a bit too...happy in the pic |
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2008-06-24, 15:29 | Link #1795 | |
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Zafira: *sighs* Shamal: Oh dear! Hot blood? Erio: Uhm... what is hot blood? Quote:
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Really long forgotten colony. Actually, that's her going 'What am I doing here? Why am I here?' (notice the aawkward sweatdrop). |
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Er...#1 Vivio fan of all time and space? Maybe from when the empire was first being started? Quote:
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2008-06-24, 16:06 | Link #1798 |
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One Idea I've been having that involves summons is with Crash during the time he's going to get suckered into practice with the Forwards. (And gets run all over the place as the 'Enemy'. No thanks to Nanoha taking a liking to him.)
Essentially, he's been running and fighting the Forwards for upwards of an hour in a mock battle. ("Why did -I- have to be the bad guy?") He somehow manages to corner Caro without Erio or Friedric around. YAY! Things are looking up... well... sort of. *Crash walks up in his armor and learns over Caro.* "You know, this probably isn't very fair. Me, in full power armor, against a little kid. Sheesh. How about you surrender so I don't have to do any attacking." "... VOLTAAAAAAAAAAAAIR!!!" *Vwoom... RUMBLE....* *Crash looks up... and up... and up.... Voltair leans down over him in the same manner he'd just been leaning over Caro but with its arms crossed as if irritated.* "Okay, I stand corrected... -THAT- is SO not fair." *Voltair deliberately starts cracking its knuckles.* [COMMANDER, I SUGGEST A NEW COURSE OF ACTION] "You mean run right?" [AFFIRMATIVE!!!] *Crash Bolts* "NO ARGUMENT HERE!!!!" *After Crash is out of sight, Caro turns red, falls over and beats the ground with her fists while Laughing her head off. Voltair chuckles too. (Sounding like rolling thunder.)* |
2008-06-24, 20:07 | Link #1799 | |
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Egged on by Keroko (credit must be given where credit is due) but still nontheless his doing.
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LMAO. That was funny. especially the "not so fair " line >w< |
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