2007-07-01, 22:45 | Link #2041 |
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^^I don't know, but I've watched Animaniacs and I still don't get all the references there... but it didn't stop me from watching it... the same with Lucky Star... if I get entertained I don't need to know all the refs, but as I find out more of them, it adds to my enjoyment of the show.
Edit: I'm sure that there's more western otaku familiar with Comiket than you realize... (Comic Party anyone?) |
2007-07-02, 05:57 | Link #2042 | |
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2007-07-02, 13:06 | Link #2045 |
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Not pointing at AVPlaya particularly (actually not at all)... but I don't find it unusual for some people (usually japanese but sometimes not) to just assume the culture is just too opaque for outsiders to ever grasp.
Monty Python is quite dense in terms of culture-specific (and politically specific) memes. Really, in order to truly enjoy the show you have to have several reference books on British culture and politics in the 1970s. Otherwise, you're wasting your time. See how that sounds? Substitute 'japanese' for British and 'PPD' or 'L*S' for Monty Python and think about it. Personally, I've found I just have to get used to the 'outsider' meme. 1) My goodness, you can use hashi? 2) You speak Japanese very well! (even if I've just totally mangled it) 3) My favorite, if I talk about japanese local politics or recent cultural shifts and I get a completely 'deer in the headlights' look from the person because they just can't process the idea that a 'tall white guy' might know who Abe is or that the changes in the pension plan have caused divorce rates to skyrocket amongst middle-aged japanese. Ah well... L*S *might* break through as a sort of "Peanuts" meme to the general public video buyer. But mostly likely, it'll be the same crowd that bought into PPD, I.M., AzuDa, and other 'culturally japanese' shows. From a marketing standpoint, I can totally see them trying to tie in with "From the makers of Haruhi..." ... Hell, Disney does that all the time with their products that don't have an automatic "win". I just saw Ratatouille.. a lovely little film from Disney-Pixar, but all the adverts for it feel compelled to say "From the people who brought you...." as if it couldn't stand on its own.
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2007-07-02, 13:44 | Link #2046 | |
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So yeah, I agree with Vexx; the PPD/IM/AzuDaioh crowd + "from the producers of Haruhi and Full Metal Panic!". It won't ever air on TV, so it won't ever sell "bucketloads", but I expect it'd sell quite decently. |
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2007-07-02, 14:44 | Link #2047 |
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Oh I'm not saying non-Japanese can't enjoy L*S.. I think all of you have proven that to be untrue. All I'm saying is that the L*S producer/writers has zero expectation of L*S being understood by a non-Japanese as it was a joke aimed at a niche of a niche, and that you'll enjoy it a lot more if you're an otaku (I believe almost everyone here qualifies) who knows the culture of the real Japan.
Vexx, I don't quite see your substituting of Monty Python (huge Python fan here) is quite comparible. I expect a person who grew up in the US to at least understand the language the Python used and get some of the jokes by default due to cultural similarities. Plus Python even at the time was mostly a senseless slapstick comedy anyone can enjoy. I mean this was the time when Benny Hill was king. However, I would not expect a similar person to know or understand as much about modern Japanese life. The level of ignorance is much, much higher. As for Japanese expectation for foreign enjoyment of their animation; I must say it's one of the hardest thing for them to fathom. The Japanese don't have a very high opinion of their own popular culture and they do not expect outsiders to like it. It's only in the past 20 some years they've finally come to term that other Asians also enjoy their entertainment and so they're quire comfortable with the concept of, say, Ayumi having a sell-out concert in Shanghai. Given all that, they think even less of their otaku sub-culture which are composed of people they deemed as social outcasts. If you tell an ordinary Japanese now about the state of anime popularity in the US, they will be shocked every single time. I know so since I do this a lot to get the look on their faces. What to shock a Japanese? Show them the English version of "NANA" manga. I still think the Japanese side of anime companies are still struggling with this feeling to really feel comfortable releasing certain animes here. If the non-anime general public are more receptive to modern J-culture, perhaps that will change, but I don't see that from happening anytime soon. |
2007-07-02, 15:06 | Link #2049 | |
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So I think they probably will put a giant "From the creators of Haruhi" band on top of the DVD, if they ever happen to release the title, in order to boost sales. It's not insulting the buyer's intelligence (since there are a lot of people that would buy it even without that little band on top), but there would be a lot more people that would buy it if it was there.
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2007-07-02, 15:45 | Link #2050 |
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Well, this is part of the thing that makes it all the more likely, IMO. With Kadokawa (the Japanese publishers of Lucky Star/Haruhi/etc.) now operating in the U.S., there really is no licensing fee. They own it, so they can sell it wherever they like, and they just pay the production costs (or pay another studio to do it for them/profit-share with them). That's, I think, what makes it all the more likely they can "chance" on a show like this. Given that Kadokawa already made English-language promo flyers for the show back when it was about to come out, I imagine they're aware of the international interest after Haruhi's success.
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2007-07-02, 16:27 | Link #2051 | |
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2007-07-02, 19:37 | Link #2052 |
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A show dub-less show should not cost too much to re-package and sell. Heck they can even take box art/insert verbatim. After thinking about how crazy it was for Kadokawa to release Haruhi here, they'll probably do a Lucky Star without dub. The otakus here are earning respect... who knows, maybe the next KyoAni series will throw in a bone for the gaijin fansub watchers.
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2007-07-02, 19:52 | Link #2053 |
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Out of curiosity, what other series have been released without a dub? I don't know of any except for Card Captor Sakura, and the reason that was released dub-less is because of Cardcaptors (which was brutally chopped up and released only as a dub), and fans demanded the original series subbed.
Other than that, I can't think of any series that was released without a dub... however, I don't buy a whole lot of DVDs. (BTW, years ago I bought the entire CCS set for $11 a disk... I was very, very pleased. ) |
2007-07-02, 20:54 | Link #2054 | |
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That being said, I very much doubt a show of this pedigree would be released in North America dubless, for many of the reasons already established. It simply isn't that niche of a show.So "crazy" that they'd do it again in a heartbeat. Those $50-65 Limited Editions are selling very well, by all reports. They ended up soliciting even more of the Character CDs than they had originally lined up, based on strong demand. Lightning may not strike twice, but if anything, Kadokawa would be very encouraged by Haruhi's sales, I think. You sure have some funny ideas about the R1 DVD market. |
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2007-07-02, 21:26 | Link #2055 |
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I guess, I don't know much about it really, not normally being in the R1 market. I'm just thinking from the Japanese perspective, knowing the ideas they have in their heads. There's a reason why the major publishers used to license properties to foreign firms instead of setting shop and selling it themselves like they're starting to do now - a lot of Japanese employees in those companies simply don't believe anime will sell in the West, and they want others to take the risk. It seemed that they're coming around now and we may see more IP owners just setup a US branch like Kadokawa. I understand where they're coming from and even with mounting evidence to the contrary I still have to pinch myself sometimes when I see the anime isle at the local mall.
I would certainly buy a R1 L*S release... but I really don't see the point of a dub. |
2007-07-02, 22:08 | Link #2056 |
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I don't even want to think about a dub... but then I'm already known for my opinion of most dubs and as long as they leave the original audio track as a selection I'm happy.
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(Ranma1/2 is a 10 or 11 dub,bleach is a 5,FMA is a 6,Naruto is a 4,Inuyasha is a 7 maybe a 8) now adays they market dubs to damn hard at least in the mid early 90s it was either ok or ZOMG bad. Kira kyo maoh is a 7 or 8 it was dubed in the past 5 or 6 years I think...I just try and not deal with dubs anymore...
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before I forget, LS is a fun and silly show,in some ways rings of Azumanga Daioh,all they need to do is not rape the Japanese symbolisms and have ok voice acting,I think the show can be done easily by a normal or better domestic dubber,it will sale on tis own as long as they do not to "localize" it.
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2007-07-03, 00:03 | Link #2060 | |
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@4Tran: Coordinator: "Alright ship the Zeta Gundam DVD's" Next Day Spokesperson: "Your DVD's have shipped, but I'm afraid there's some bad news, we changed the opening theme, the show is dubtitled and er....some of the discs might be duplicates or may not even work at all, thanks for spending 200 dollars on this boxset that given it's rarity and limited edition nature should have had more effort put into it. Oh and for no real reason we changed the english cast from Mobile Suit Gundam that everybody seemed to like to cold readers, K thanks." Just hope that ADV Films doesn't pick it up like they did PPD and give Carl Macek the dub direction. Although in all honesty it will probably go to Kadokawa/Bandai if it goes to anyone. |
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