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View Poll Results: Nanoha - StrikerS - Episode 17 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 74 | 69.16% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 20 | 18.69% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 8 | 7.48% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 2 | 1.87% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 0.93% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 2 | 1.87% | |
Voters: 107. You may not vote on this poll |
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2007-07-24, 11:08 | Link #481 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Adeptus Animus
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Now, you yourelf said that these gadgets react to threats. The TSAB personel would quallify as threats, which means they would attack. Quote:
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2) Hmm, true, though in Hayate's defence they did leave the best of the best they had in terms of defence (Zafira and Shamal) down there. Quote:
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Yes. They are an imoral band of thugs who place themselves above the law, steal valuable recources, raid supplies, smuggle and avoid taxes... The only thing that really seperates them from being truly 'evil' is that their enemy is simply apearing to be more so then they are. Quote:
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Hundreds? Hardly believeable. Asuming he landed in a standart Lambda class shuttle (If it's good enough for the emperor, it's good enough for Tarkin) He could have squashed about a dozen protesters, maybe two-dozen if they were packed together. >_< I'm an Empire fan myself. Not to the point where I say they were good guys, but to the point where I say that Palpatine did do what he promised: He did deliver a safe and stable society. Other's simply didn't like how that stable society was run. |
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2007-07-24, 11:27 | Link #483 | ||
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2007-07-24, 11:30 | Link #484 | |||
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I'm not into the whole Vivio/Ginga discussion thing. What happens to them is something purely speculative at this point, though it's safe to say they won't be as happy as they were with TSAB, for better or worse from a technical point of view.
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I believe there are accidental deaths, (( debris, fire, whatever )) but like said, from what Uno said, they were doing their best to avoid direct killings, and from what we saw, they mostly did just that. Quote:
Even though his method was something that might had saved the lives of who knows how many TSAB mages and innocent people in the decades and centuries at the simple cost of one girl's life? If it had been anyone other than Hayate (( like the typical evil Meister before her )), would you still say the same? And no one, I mean no one could've predicted Hayate being able to remove the Defense Program and save herself from the Book's corrupted control. It had never happened even once throughout the Book of Darkness's history of book completion, as far as TSAB knows.
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2007-07-24, 11:31 | Link #485 | |||||
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And they did use heavy attacks on Deci and Quattro when they felt it was neccessary, how could they have any idea Trei was able to save them with Ride Impluse? And yes, I agree Vita should have acted more decisively after Sein dove away with Lutecia. Quote:
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2007-07-24, 11:52 | Link #486 | ||||
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Then they were not doing their job well, because grabbing someone by the hair is not the quickest way to lift them up. This was an act of cruelty, no more no less. Quote:
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... Wait, I just realized, he never really had a choice. The book chooses its master. >_< Statement toward Graham withdrawn! |
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2007-07-24, 12:07 | Link #487 | |
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BTW, in A's, the Volkenritter were ready to do anything to achieve their goal, but decided not to kill anyone. Kinda reminds me of some scientist with a name like pasta... |
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2007-07-24, 12:14 | Link #488 | |
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I didn't try to compare the situations, I merely said that the choice between killing or not killing, is a choice we make everyday. |
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2007-07-24, 12:21 | Link #490 |
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Sure, the end does not justify the means, but I still can't se Scag as "the big evil". Sure, he's "a little" mad, but what mad scientist isn't ? I still say he could have had the numbers go in, weapons blazing and kill everyone under A rank at least. By choosing not to kill, he has at least proved he's not a sociopath. So far, none of the Nanohaverse "villans" were really evil. Precia lost her mind along with her daugther, her only final goal beeing to revive her, even if it meant stepping on dead bodys to do it. I do wonder what would have happene to her had she succeded. Would she have reverted to who she was before the accident? Would she have felt regret over what she had done? Would she have accepted Fate as a second daughter? Guess we'll never know. As for Graham, he did what he felt was necessary to save the world. He DID feel a lot of regret over what he was doing, but from what he knew, that was the only way to finish the book of darkness once and for all (not reall, since his plan did have some bugs, like Crono said). So all and all, while Scag is the villan(?) I don't belive he's just SOOOOOOOO evil that he just felt like creating weapons and cousing chaos.
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The only arguable moment could be the aerial battle not shown in details. (I'm even showing the examples not favorable for me but it's better then wait until you bring them up first ). Still no bodies shown so unless in the next episode there's some kind of funeral I'll keep saying that nobody died. Quote:
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2007-07-24, 12:33 | Link #492 |
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Let's imagine that, before episode 16, the TSAB has learnt Jail's whereabouts, and they're ready to arrest him. Their storm his lab, trying not to kill anyone, but fighting those who resist, and not caring much about keeping the building itself neat and tidy.
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2007-07-24, 12:42 | Link #493 | |
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Did they just simply remove the glove? Or... did they do something much worst? Like, forcefully amputate it? I know there was a lot of blood loss from Ginga from the head down. She's a cyborg and all, but... oh god why?! >_< Let's hope she's still alive in the next several episodes. T_T I may have to rewatch it a 5th time or when a better RAW appears. |
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2007-07-24, 12:53 | Link #494 | |
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After all, right now on Earth, technology allows to transplant a hand. So in Midchilda, I suppose it's not even remotely difficult. |
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2007-07-24, 12:54 | Link #495 | |
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Anyway, a better raw is definitely needed. |
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2007-07-24, 13:15 | Link #497 |
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I'm glad Zest and co. have at least temporarily broken free from their lesser and not-so-intimidating screen presence in the series, since their group is the most interesting to me in the current part of the Nanoha franchise.
Agito the elf girl of small proportions has become more fleshed out and likeable, and we even got to see a nice scene with her being terrified that because of her pride her saviour chopped part of his own life for her sake. Mmm, unconscious elf girl... Zest has restored my faith in the production team in that a taciturn, no-nonsense manly man with lolis can't possibly be just another chump in the grand scheme of things. The man has etiquette, wisdom and resolve. Now they should enlighten us on his background, for more effect. He seems to have a beef with where the Army is going, and going with the good Doctor only because their paths are more or less the same to date. It's just unfortunate that now they revealed his special attack drains his life, he's bound to die in a kamikaze attack somewhere if he's not backstabbed. Maybe against the Einherjar, whatever the hell it is. I was kind of hoping he'd get to spend his old days Graham-style, on a loliranch with Lutecia, Agito and Vita (you know she was swept off her feet, both figuratively and literally, by his manly charm), at least until the partyvan got wind of it. However, before that happens, I hope he'll get to shine properly. Not to take anything off Vita, but Zest wasn't even winded after his Jesusattack. Not that a manly man would ever be out of breath of course, but still. Speaking of his background, maybe we'll hear more of it in the next episode, as Signum, avoiding the after day cleanup, sneaks off to have hot sex with him, seeing as how they flirted shamelessly with all their nonchalant flying in the toposphere earlier. As for Lutecia, she remains more or less the same, in both good and bad. Someone give that girl a slinky or something for Christsakes, she can't get any less apathetic as it is. |
2007-07-24, 19:52 | Link #499 | ||
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As for the 3 Numbers not facing her head on, I'd say that the sudden appearance of reinforcements mean that more are on the way. I doubt all 3 were confident enough to stop the Terminator at full burn with her backup a few minutes away. |
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2007-07-24, 20:52 | Link #500 |
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Alright, let me continue about Scagaletti.
It seems that his only wish is for his research and products to be legal. He wants to help people, specifically individuals. He has the power to bring back the dead and believes the world can benefit from it. However, the TSAB sees this as illegal research, and Scagaletti's clients(incl. Erio + his parents) are suffering from this. Thus, the TSAB is center to this problem, holding the technology and, in Scagalett's view, human advancement back. I don't believe he attacked the TSAB as a show of power. His position is not to promote war machines. He wanted to expose the ineffectiveness of the TSAB. It didn't matter if the TSAB was really ineffective or not, but he wanted to build the perception that it was. Using this, he could soon get the public to be against the TSAB. I think this was his plan. It's rather long-term, so the attack of this episode would only be the beginning. As for the sentoukijin, it's currently difficult to tell how much of them are human and how much of them are machine. There's certainly a large human element to them, even with the Numbers, evident by the fact their vastly differing personalities and capabilities. Particularly, for the Nakajima sisters, they seem to grow like normal. They both have traits from their parents so that's some evidence that they were born rather than made. On the other hand, Subaru's interaction with Mach and Blitz Caliber makes me think that it might not be the case. Regardless, I don't believe Teana, or Caro or Erio for that matter, is aware of Subaru's being part-machine(until now anyways). In any case, I don't believe that Scagaletti can simply make Numbers at will. If he could, I would think he would've made more. There's probably something that's stopping him from doing just that. Sentoukijin aren't just battle robots, they seem to be quite a bit more than that. |
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