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Although you are probably talking about the beam weapons, not lasers. But since we don't have real-life beam weapons I can't tell you how likely it is.
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2008-04-24, 02:20 | Link #62 | |
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As a rule, I don't think that you can assume that how the Zentradi use technology is representative of how the Protoculture did so.
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2008-04-24, 04:37 | Link #63 |
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Birdman was probably Cybernetic too. Though frankly it's not even clear they're organic either.
I was under the impression that beam weapons were laser or Plasma weapons, both would be difficult to make organically, though I suppose anything's possible where the protoculture are involved Last edited by DonQuigleone; 2008-04-24 at 04:55. |
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but a lot of evidence point to the hypothesis that the proto-culture was VERY ADVANCED in genetic engineering. while the lack of any visible biological weaponry in the combat designed zentradi race is debatable, it is in no doubt they are more or less designed on the genetic level to be sufficiently considered efficient for combat in space or s gravity well without the use of any visible non-biological cybernetics in the standard troop, not even machine-organic interfacing ports for obvious mechanical armour suit/weapon. The cybernetics of the VAJRA seem very mechanical, as in armour which is directly bonded to organic interfaces, & etc, etc. which in my opinion suggest a different line of thinking, if not less superior sign of technological advancement. Quote:
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2008-04-24, 12:46 | Link #65 |
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I'm beaten due to never seeing Macross 7 :P. What were the specifics of the Protodeviln and their inter dimensional generator things.
Weren't they Super Zentradi that were possesed by beings from another dimension? Were they possessed due to the aforementioned generators? Also is it possible that the generators were grafted when they proverbially came out of the vat? (if that's how zentraedi or protodeviln are born, they were manufactured so to speak right?) |
2008-04-24, 13:01 | Link #66 |
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Protodevilin are nothing like Zentradi. I'll post a more complete explanation in the Macross 7 thread.
You seem to be talking about something very different from cybernetics. Furthermore, my point was more that the Protoculture had lots of technologies that the Zentradi had no knowledge of, so we can't accurately gauge what the former were capable of based solely on what we see the latter use.
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2008-04-24, 13:18 | Link #67 |
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With exception of the Birdman of course which resembles more the Vajra in terms biomech technology.
If we were to trace the evolution of Protoculture weapons technology. Zentradi + Mecha ----> Vajra? (Missing link) -----> Birdman ----> Evil Series (Protodevlin) What we do know about the Protoculture is that make war by proxy and don't fight themselves. (Except the Anima Spiritia users in the Protodevlin war) |
2008-04-24, 15:02 | Link #69 | |
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2008-04-25, 00:11 | Link #70 |
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Judging from Episode 4, we know that the Varja are very susceptible to Zentradi weapons.
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This fact, coupled with the attack on Ranka's ship (when she was a child) almost certainly links the Zentradi and the Varja (perhaps through the Protoculture?) The question is how. |
2008-04-26, 17:47 | Link #71 | ||
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i did some analyse on the weapon thing, i think i'll just quote them here for reference.
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personally the more i watch episode 4, i think the idea of Quan Quan having a liquid plasma cannon isn't impossible, i mean the only specs we have is that the suit she's using only has an "impact" cannon, but those are from typical armament specs from 2017-18, largely historical. It can't be said that this will be true in 2059. after all the armaments on a F-16 is significantly different on a F-16E They have a different electronic package and missile payload. Besides Zentradi still use traditional zentradi tech, but with a few improvements anyway.
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2008-04-26, 18:05 | Link #72 | ||
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Unfortunately, no official source material ever indicated just what type of 'standard' weaponry were being utilized for the Zjentohlauedy/Meltlandi forces. Although one thing for sure, the Zents/Melts never relied on ballistic weaponry as much as humans do. Most of their weapons, save for missiles, are energy based. UN SPACY did toy with certain aspects of Zent/Melt weapons. Most notably the YF-21, which had a rather similar configuration as the Queadluun-Rau. Then again, official materials did indicate that the YF-21 was influenced by the Queadluun-Rau. Although most Zents tend to have excessive pride regarding their weaponry, and they rather not pilot a Valkyrie. I don't think UN SPACY technology ever quite caught up. - Tak (It would appear, I've somehow recovered my user name...) Last edited by Tak; 2008-04-26 at 21:32. |
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2008-04-28, 15:43 | Link #73 |
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speculation for episode 5.
sheryl caught Altro near his school, or close by. evidence: he is wearing his uniform, obviously on the way there. evidence 2: no prior evidence suggest she knows where he lives, hence in ep2 she went to the S.M.S building and not to his house/place. evidence 3: she knows he is from the fleets most "prestige fleet school" so she wait for him nearby, because the information was available from the beginning provided by cathy/and or the organisers of the concert. question: how does to tie in with the erm....raunchy preview? theory: because sheryl is near a school, some student spot her. evidence: her disguise pathetic and is worse then the last one. conclusion: she will gather a lot of attention and fans. this will lead to a cat and mouse chase, with both of them. fans want sheryl and simultaneously kill the man wearing the same uniform as them, that she seems to be holding hands "affectionately" with. theory: Altro will try to find a place to hide, either nearby the school or in he school itself. conclusion: Altro & Sheryl will have to hide together, in a dark place. evidence: the preview was dark and she seems to be pushed or cramped. maybe they hid in a store room, or a locker or something cramped, to get away from the mob of students. theory: Ranka/Nena will see them running away together. conclusion: misunderstanding. evidence: my hentai intuition
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2008-04-29, 03:28 | Link #75 |
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Okay looking over back at Protoculture history in Macross 7.
* The Protoculture were spilt into 2 factions. * The Zentradi were used for proxy warfare. * One side developed the Evil series to destroy the Zentradi but was possesed by the extradimensional Protodevlin. * The Supervision Army came to be because of the Protodevlin. Looking at the patterns it became a three way warfare. The Protoculture were wiped out by the massive spiritia drain by Gepelnitch save for a few that possesed Anima Spiritia that managed to seal them. It was never said that the Protoculture reunited. So the Vajra may be one of the super weapons project of one of the sides of the conflict. Likely not those who developed the Evil series. |
2008-04-29, 13:35 | Link #78 |
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Another completely without backing speculation. I think Leon will invite another military contractor to the Macross Frontier in order to not only snub Omza but to introduce the mysterious fighter that might have a better standard weapons load out than the VF-25
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