2008-05-13, 09:39 | Link #1021 | |
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2008-05-13, 09:59 | Link #1022 | ||
The Dark Knight
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: From the deepest abyss in the world, where you think?
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Suzaku pleads with his dad to stop the war, Genbu punches him away and turns around, then Suzaku runs him through with a knife. Quote:
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2008-05-13, 10:02 | Link #1023 | |
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Join Date: Dec 2005
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Suzaku's ultimate role in this series is still quiet unclear. Will he bring about major change that'll define the series? Or will he just be a skilled knightmare pilot and support char of some sort until the end? By the way, nearly all of his Lancelot launching scenes are made as if a savior or a very important char is entering the stage, while his role in the series doesn't give me that impression of him at all. BAH BTW2, happy to still see you around after all these years Vall, and Wingdarkness too. Hope you still remember me from the days this forum was being burnt down by G SEED and GSD discussions..... hahaha |
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2008-05-13, 10:19 | Link #1024 | |
what Yagi said
Join Date: Mar 2008
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If he hasn't reached this conclusion, then he is more naive than previously thought. How can you wish for a peaceful state when the Britannia Empire itself represents aggression, oppression, and warfare? Not just in Area 11, but around the whole world. To truly make changes, you have to change the culture and the decisions, which would mean changes at the top. Euphie/Nunnally/Suzaku's wish for a better Area 11 would be scrapped as soon as the Emperor wishes it so. Maybe all this loyalty for the Emperor is just a charade, and Suzaku ends up taking out the Emperor in the end. That way he can add regicide along with his patricide. Maybe Suzaku becomes the new Emperor that leads Britannia and Japan into a new peaceful era. All Hail Emperor Suzaku. Ugh, I feel sick. Last edited by tenken627; 2008-05-13 at 10:30. |
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2008-05-13, 13:19 | Link #1025 | |
The Dark Knight
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Assuming he achieves his objective (Which is to kill god) then what happens afterwards? Britannia ceases its conquests? Pulls out of the areas? We don't know just as much as we don't know what Suzaku wants. First he says he wants to change the world yet he seems to be focusing more on Japan. |
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2008-05-13, 16:12 | Link #1030 |
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You know, I'm pretty sure there was much more to Suzaku's decision to commit patricide than just some impulse. It was already stated in picture book 23.95 that he planned it. Looking through the sound dramas, child Suzaku actually demonstrates quite a bit of depth in terms of issues of powerlessness and growing up.
When Suzaku met Lelouch, and saw his determination to take care of himself and Nunally without any help from other people, he felt ashamed of his belief that children couldn't do anything. Suzaku was used to being talked down to by his father, to paying respect to his elders like Todou at his dojo. Being regularly exposed to all the political dealings that his family was in charge of, and yet understanding very little of it, Suzaku developed a fairly passive attitude. However, through his interactions with Lelouch who was determined to control his own destiny, to achieve things with his own hands and 'truly live', Suzaku came to understand that the humility and small-mindedness of 'I'm just a child' was holding him back. Suzaku's patricide was probably part of a learning process for him, an event where he decided for himself what was right and wrong and stood up for his beliefs. However, even though his perceptions about his father were not necessarily mistaken, and even though his patricide was not necessarily a bad move, Suzaku could not accept the ramifications of his actions. Seeing what happened when he took things into his own hands, Suzaku probably reverted, grew less sure of himself, fell back into his previous attitude of paying respect to his elders. This development was probably a principle part of forming Suzaku's later attitude of deference to authority and following the rules. It's all a pretty clear cut path of Suzaku's psychological development and the creation of his belief system. Suzaku's patricide wasn't just some random occurence, didn't come out of nowhere, but rather had its basis in Suzaku's upbringing and friendship with Lelouch, and it had far reaching effects on the way he thought for years afterwards. |
2008-05-13, 16:34 | Link #1031 |
The Dark Knight
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I'm pretty confident that Suzaku didn't planned on killing his father. He PLANNED on talking with his father to end the war and persuade him but I'm sure the knife was a last ditch measure (I mean you can't exactly carry a knife that big on a small child right?)
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2008-05-13, 17:03 | Link #1032 | |
神聖カルル帝国の 皇帝
Join Date: Jul 2007
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You missed one important thing: The Knight of One can rule is also granted an area of control by the Emperor himself and is allowed to request any area under Britannian rule. Suzaku's goal is to be the Knight of One, and rule Area 11. You haven't forgotten that, have you? Also, change the "world" here means change HIS world, not the ENTIRE world. |
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2008-05-13, 17:13 | Link #1036 | |
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2008-05-13, 17:16 | Link #1037 | |
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"I should have spoken to you. I should have told you what I was going to do. That's what I thought...but at that moment, I couldn't bring myself to say it. Maybe that was why, when you said those words, I somehow felt a feeling of salvation." "Suzaku...Suzaku...I...will destroy Britannia!" "Then I felt a tinge of sorrow in me. I could not answer your pledge to me. I was going to commit patricide. Perhaps it was the wrong answer. I know. I knew full well. But..." :P Pretty explicit, right? But you know, I really don't understand why people have a problem with Suzaku doing it on purpose. Family is important, but its the way of the world that there are cruel and heartless people, even if they might be your parents. Suzaku killed his father. Lelouch wants to kill his father. It's all the same, the right or wrong of it. |
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2008-05-13, 17:17 | Link #1038 | ||
what Yagi said
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But, if the Emperor wishes to get rid of that with that, does he not have that power? Change only his world and screw the rest? So are you saying that Suzaku is not only small-minded, but he is also hypocritical? Quote:
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2008-05-13, 17:22 | Link #1040 | |
神聖カルル帝国の 皇帝
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He's human. A normal human would think only of his small world. |
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