Macross Frontier Movie Discussion

[BetoJR]

Good grief, if this turns out to be true, I'm gonna be a bit disappointed, to say the least.

[kobejin]

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Originally Posted by golthin

Basicaly, Kawamori is all for polygamy ! Harem ending, we can add Klan there too.

Sheryl, Ranka, Klan (on the rebound), Nanase (Sheryl's initial intuition was correct after all! She's living her hopes and dreams vicariously through Ranka! Shouta Luca never stood a chance), the other two bridge bunny fans of his (as a twosome, in the footsteps of M7's Captain Kinryuu), Bobby.

And they can add Lynn Minmay to the harem as a surprise character when they find her in stasis in the movie!

Coming soon, Macross Frontier the bloody dating sim.

[forgottendiary]

Originally Posted by kobejin

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[Urei]

But isn't it funny? All the characters that were not centered around LT had only one person as their choice. Every single one of them. Where the heck did that earlier statement about stereotype come from. His directing contradicts his words.

[musouka]

Originally Posted by Urei

But isn't it funny? All the characters that were not centered around LT had only one person as their choice. Every single one of them. Where the heck did that earlier statement about stereotype come from. His directing contradicts his words.

What about Bobby?! He, Ozma and Kathy's love is puuuure.

[kobejin]

translation of kawamori interview

「社会というのはその時代の社会意識の集団催眠にかかってるようなところがあるでしょう？
たとえば三角関係でどっちをとるかって言う問題にしても、一夫一婦制に縛られているに過ぎない わけです。」

"We(our society) tend to hang to the mass hypnosis of social sense of values at that time.
For instance, the ploblem which he should choose in love triangle becomes ploblem, just because we are caught in a monandrous system."


plobably my english is horrible...orz

[abynormal]

Originally Posted by kobejin

"We(our society) tend to hang to the mass hypnosis of social sense of values at that time.
For instance, the ploblem which he should choose in love triangle becomes ploblem, just because we are caught in a monandrous system."

I'll try to re-interpret:

"We tend to hang on to the mass hypnosis of the social values at that point in time. For instance, the problem of choosing in a love triangle becomes the problem just because we are caught in a monotonous system."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the whole point of a love triangle is to force the lead point into a dilemma where he or she must choose between two people who could equally suit. Dilemmas create drama, and drama is entertainment. If there's no choice to be made and the guy can just say "I choose both!", there is no triangle to begin with. However, not revealing that this is a choice until the very end is what the rest of us would consider an asspull.

I would argue that while the love triangle is old as antiquity, the variations in characters involved, settings and non-romance plots make each triangle seem fresh. There's no need to reinvent something that consistently works and works well just because you can't resolve it yourself.

[Urei]

I can't make a proper context out of what he said. This really can mean anything. Either he's addressing people about the general problem of a choice in that situation, justifying the 'ending' or talking about something completely unrelated.

Either that or he's trying to create something that is presumed as original in his own world. Talking things like that it seems more like he's going for a rebellious streak against society rather then creating a love triangle.

EDIT. Thank you kobejin for providing the info, translation and scan

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Originally Posted by abynormal

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the whole point of a love triangle is to force the lead point into a dilemma where he or she must choose between two people who could equally suit. Dilemmas create drama, and drama is entertainment. If there's no choice to be made and the guy can just say "I choose both!", there is no triangle to begin with. However, not revealing that this is a choice until the very end is what the rest of us would consider an asspull.

QFT. Also, Alto can choose both of them, but there's no guarantee either of the girls would be willing to go along with that arrangement (something hopefully Mylene learnt at the end of M7). And as portrayed at the end of EP 25, with them challenging each other they probably won't be satisfied with a draw and sharing Alto.

[kujoe]

Well, he did say that he's not sure whether it'll end up with the same plot or the same ending... Still, his comment about society's standards and whatnot doesn't bode well for the possibility of a resolution in the love triangle.

So, this is a DYRL-style remake? Dang! I guess that "new beginning" bit in episode 25 was too good to amount to anything.

[Elandyll]

And I think Kawamori sort of contradicts himself with the last statement of Ranka in the series, aka "I will not lose to you, not in songs, or in love", aka, she wants Alto to make a choice.

Might have been different if Ranka had said:

"Let's now sing Duets together while Alto will fly over us forever, and at night we can either draw straws or just take turns, so .. Gambate Alto! Let's stock on Viagra ! Btw Sheryl I'm totally Bi and you look fabulous!"
Sheryl :

[NaweG]

Originally Posted by Elandyll

"Let's now sing Duets together while Alto will fly over us forever, and at night we can either draw straws or just take turns, so .. Gambate Alto! Let's stock on Viagra ! Btw Sheryl I'm totally Bi and you look fabulous!"
Sheryl :

Futakoi Alternative FTW!

[magnuskn]

Originally Posted by Elandyll

And I think Kawamori sort of contradicts himself with the last statement of Ranka in the series, aka "I will not lose to you, not in songs, or in love", aka, she wants Alto to make a choice.

Might have been different if Ranka had said:

"Let's now sing Duets together while Alto will fly over us forever, and at night we can either draw straws or just take turns, so .. Gambate Alto! Let's stock on Viagra ! Btw Sheryl I'm totally Bi and you look fabulous!"
Sheryl :

You know what, if they manage to keep Ranka looking like she did in the big, ah, nude shot she and Sheryl had, just before Alto finished Grace, that´d be juuuuust fine. ^^

[Tak]

I actually find it both relieved and comforting to know that the movie is gearing towards a DYRL style production. I know some of us wanted a continuation, but I simply do not see how that will work, given the loose ends int he series that still need answers. Moreover, I don't know if I'd be interested in a continuation where conspiracy seems to be the only plot line that can be attended. Or, to a lesser extent, a focus on the triangle itself. But, despite the fact that I have been an ardent supporter of the triangle, I cannot forget that this is after all, Macross. Its not only a love story, its a space opera! The triangle is its by product, not what the entire franchise is about!

With that said, the movie should help answer some of the loose ends not explained in the TV series. A new art direction and brand new footage are preferable. Of course, a conclusive answer to the triangle.

Now, Kawamori stated something rather interesting. It would seem to me that he wants to attempt a double wammy. Thats all good, and I shall anticipate his creativity with some enthusiasm. Although he'd have to convincingly pull it off (because its never been done) as to not have Macross end up like another generic harem production.

- Tak (Although judging by his commentary on society, I do not find it surprising at all that he is still, single)

[MaiHikari]

Love is not about choosing but rather what does Alto feel. Making that statement, is Kawamori claiming Alto loves neither girl? Or Alto loves both girls and he doesn't want to chose? Alto is either devoid of romantic emotions or very indecisive. Either way, it seems wrong from the context of Macross.

It's rather not a problem with what society thinks, but a character flaw. The only way out of it is to convince us that Alto is still young and neither girls make him feel passionate enough to start a relationship with. But given what we've seen in the series, it's rather a totally opposite direction. He'd have to provide that as an alternate perspective in the movie and make it damn convincing.

[golthin]

Originally Posted by Tak

- Tak (Although judging by his commentary on society, I do not find it surprising at all that he is still, single)

that is so true, I don't think he believe in marriage and a commitment to one person. HE began showing those traits from M7.

[BetoJR]

So... the Hory Froating Head is gonna give us a DYRL-type of "re-imagination" of a series that JUST ended? Really? Well, that sucks. HARD.

[Wesley84]

Originally Posted by MaiHikari

Love is not about choosing but rather what does Alto feel. Making that statement, is Kawamori claiming Alto loves neither girl? Or Alto loves both girls and he doesn't want to chose? Alto is either devoid of romantic emotions or very indecisive. Either way, it seems wrong from the context of Macross.

I agree. The problem is Alto never expressed not being interested, even after Mikhail told him straight to his face that Ranka more or less loved him. Not only is he not interested, he enjoys stringing them, both of them, along? It's probably an actor thing.

[kujoe]

Originally Posted by Tak

Now, Kawamori stated something rather interesting. It would seem to me that he wants to attempt a double wammy. Thats all good, and I shall anticipate his creativity with some enthusiasm. Although he'd have to convincingly pull it off (because its never been done) as to not have Macross end up like another generic harem production.

Just wondering... What do you exactly mean by "double wammy?"

Actually, I'm also looking forward to see if Kawamori can top the episode 25 finale in the movie.