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Old 2008-11-06, 13:17   Link #10701
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@Keroko & Satashi: Hell, 95% of Americans themselves don't care.

Point I tried to make, which apparently got overrun, was simply that fluff isn't the end all be all of love. It's been said, "Greater love hath no man than this, that he lay down his life for his friends." That's a sort of love that I try to show in my writing (nevermind that I haven't gotten up to that point in the story yet).

Yes, that is a spoiler for my TF6 project. People are going to die in it. (Though not like the bucketloads in Alpha... like almost 85% of all OCs died, no less than 9 CCs died, Signum was killed and zergified and resurrected as the Queen of Blades (unholy fusion of Kerrigan & Signum), even the dead weren't spared; Precia was revived and killed, Alicia was revived and killed, I think we killed Vivio somewhere along the line, ditto Nanoha... let's not get into Erusia getting glassed, Mid-Childa being fucked up, and Earth ending up as a last bastion of safety due to the Almighty Badass of the United States Marines and the TSAB Marines.)

"Regret...regret...regret..."

"Catchy. Any idea what it means?"

"Dear humanity: We regret being alien bastards. We regret comin' to Earth. And we most certainly regret the Corps shooting up our raggedy-ass parasite fleet!"

Huh? Why just US Marines? There are plenty of other special forces.

You know, one day I would really really like to see a Russian Spetnaz vs Nepali Ghurka vs US Marines vs British SAS all go at it in a knife fight. And maybe add in the Israeli special forces because of their Krav Maga...
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Old 2008-11-06, 13:19   Link #10702
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So basically, you consider yourself more important than your friends, and if your death means that you will save others, you will instead save yourself and let the others die, due to the value you place on self-preservation.
I honestly think that 99.99% of civilians wouldn't sacrifice their life for others. That's not counting policemen, military, army, firefighters, ect. I mean just the average joe-schmoe standing in line at starbucks.

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I wouldn't say mainly military. It's just I think 4 or 5 that mainly about pure military. Others are more about interaction between the cast in TSAB and around it.
Yeah, what Phoenix said, that's what I meant ^_^ thanks for making that more clear <3
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Old 2008-11-06, 13:28   Link #10703
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So in order to be a good story in your book, there can be NO FLUFF, only death in as much scenes as possible? How could you kill Vivio!
So in order to be a good story in your book, there must be fluff, a yuri pairing, and a happy ending? If such stories bother you this much, then write your own. I've seen you do nothing but beg for translations and complain about fics. You are in no position to demand anything from another author.

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I'm placing in a vouch for Self-preservation, above all else.
While the instinct to live is strong, the survivor's guilt of knowing that your friends, family, and loved ones are dead due to an event you could've prevented could be far worse.

I have this feeling you have me on ignore, as you've never responded to any post I've done. If this is true, I'm prepared for that situation. If this is false, I'd appreciate some sort of response.

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Huh? Why just US Marines? There are plenty of other special forces.

You know, one day I would really really like to see a Russian Spetnaz vs Nepali Ghurka vs US Marines vs British SAS all go at it in a knife fight. And maybe add in the Israeli special forces because of their Krav Maga...
You must understand that Goose has a raging boner for the US Marines
All other military special forces are cool, but not as cool.

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I honestly think that 99.99% of civilians wouldn't sacrifice their life for others. That's not counting policemen, military, army, firefighters, ect. I mean just the average joe-schmoe standing in line at starbucks.
Hmm I feel Goose is referring to a closely knit group such as a military squad, rather than a random group of people. Most people may not throw themselves into the fire to save a random person, but they're far more likely to do so if it's involving a loved one.
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Old 2008-11-06, 13:29   Link #10704
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The OC thread is mainly military people who go for war. The fanfic thread is mainly fluff addicts who go for love.

We both like different things, so generally the war stuff is accepted on OC thread (even if it really isn't OC much) and the love stuff is more accepted here ( even if , for example, Syn shows up)
I beg to differ. Targetted audience with different expectations would describe the both threads more accurately. While the core audience of FFC would lean more toward fluff and CC x CC interaction (with a small portion of CC x OC), the core audience of OCT is more interested in the worldbuilding (some people like me), how the world around the characters lives (ironically, allquall's "name of war" is the first exampe in mind), the widened CC x CC/OC x CC/OC x OC interactions and they are open to a wider range of stories. In defense of FFC, this opening to other kinds of stories is happening for a while now.

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Hmm I feel Goose is referring to a closely knit group such as a military squad, rather than a random group of people. Most people may not throw themselves into the fire to save a random person, but they're far more likely to do so if it's involving a loved one.
Keiichi Maebara's circle of friends in the Higurashi series is the best non-military fictional example.
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Old 2008-11-06, 13:39   Link #10705
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I honestly think that 99.99% of civilians wouldn't sacrifice their life for others. That's not counting policemen, military, army, firefighters, ect. I mean just the average joe-schmoe standing in line at starbucks.
I think it was missed, since I made a reply on the page previous, but I was talking about a close group of friends/relatives/team. Reread what it says: "Greater love hath no man than this, that he lay down his life for his friends." (Emphasis Mine.)

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Yeah, what Phoenix said, that's what I meant ^_^ thanks for making that more clear <3
Hey, I said it too, it just got ignored with PG's post. I always miss page claims.

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Huh? Why just US Marines? There are plenty of other special forces.
I've always wanted the join the Marines since I was like a chibi.

Chibi Goose: "Mommy I'm gonna walk through the jungle and go to the sea and join the Marines!"

Mom: "That's nice dear." *absently does medical things*

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You know, one day I would really really like to see a Russian Spetnaz vs Nepali Ghurka vs US Marines vs British SAS all go at it in a knife fight. And maybe add in the Israeli special forces because of their Krav Maga...
Spetsnaz is overrated, but Gurkha/USMC/SAS/SEAL/SBS/IDFSF would be interesting alright.

AFSOC would just call airstrikes on everyone.

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So in order to be a good story in your book, there must be fluff, a yuri pairing, and a happy ending? If such stories bother you this much, then write your own. I've seen you do nothing but beg for translations and complain about fics. You are in no position to demand anything from another author.
Agreed. VT, I wasn't happy with how things went in StrikerS, so I wrote TF6 as an idea of how subtle changes could affect and improve RF6.

Like Tempest said, you are in no position, mon Legionaire.

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You must understand that Goose has a raging boner for the US Marines
All other military special forces are cool, but not as cool.
More like the Marines are badass at the grunt level, and badass all the way to the top Where else can you get guys like Chesty Puller, or O.P. Smith, who fought his way out of a siege and brought back every single Marine with him, dead or alive?

And let's not forget Iwo Jima, the Crowning Moment of Awesome for the Marines.
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Hmm I feel Goose is referring to a closely knit group such as a military squad, rather than a random group of people. Most people may not throw themselves into the fire to save a random person, but they're far more likely to do so if it's involving a loved one.
Squad. In a flashback to Franz's past, his two best friends died saving him. He has survivor's guilt because he couldn't save them. A wounded Uruz Team member also throws himself over Vivio, shielding her with his body, taking the brunt of an explosion that kills him but keeps her alive.

As for love, the love I write is happy, monogamus het couples and not-related-by-blood-incest with somewhat shy older brother and tsundere imouto.
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Old 2008-11-06, 14:01   Link #10706
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Spoiler for PornStar!Vivio pt.32:
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Old 2008-11-06, 14:23   Link #10707
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Spoiler for PornStar!Vivio pt.32:

Ok so far i love the story but i still wonder what are planning to do, the two of them; Syn and Vivio try to act normal which it's not easy to do.

i will be waiting for the update, keep going, i wanna know how it will work out between Syn and Vivio
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Old 2008-11-06, 14:50   Link #10708
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Spoiler for PornStar!Vivio pt.32:
Vivio, I'd vote for you!!



She's so cute, despite what she does for a living. Still somehow manages to keep hold of the essence of innocence.
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Old 2008-11-06, 15:30   Link #10709
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Christ, α is full of BAD END, but then again, you sound like Tomino when he's in a bad depression. Anyway, Final Review Special Time. One. PS!Vivio Reviews.

CH31 is Meta. Fucking Meta as hell, but it still works as a crossover chapter. It makes the reader demand more, and as a mid chapter that's good. Chapter 32 is nice, the video camera/journal technique to allow character introspection normally is forced, but in this context it is not as cheap of a plot device as it should be.

On Duck Story. THIS is why short stories still exist. We get to have fun with random WTF style moments, the classic twi t of a "Duck End" still shocking to most readers. It was a nice little fluff work, although it felt highly reactionary. Why?

On the story issues in general. I feel that the best stories have characters that are properly developed, settings that are real BUT they can be fantastic (It is an art I feel to make a good fantasy story, as the rules are much more harder than people think). and an ending that works with the context of a story. A bad ending would be something like care bears ending in a grimdark bloodbath (unless you are a TWIST ending writer like M Knight Shamlaan) or the GRIMDARK adventures of the Badass Men ending in loving hugs (unless you want to make some sort of odd war message) Then again, a story's ending is up to the author, and we as readers simply interpret it.

Disclaimer: I am a film student, so deconstruction is what I do best.

Goose: Now you know how I feel when you don't understand my passion about a man (or woman's) burning spirit! The passion of flames burning forth! Hot blooded effort and guts balls out kicking conventional reason to the side!
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Old 2008-11-06, 16:30   Link #10710
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christ, α is full of bad end, but then again, you sound like tomino when he's in a bad depression. Anyway, final review special time. One. Ps!vivio reviews.

Ch31 is meta. Fucking meta as hell, but it still works as a crossover chapter. It makes the reader demand more, and as a mid chapter that's good. Chapter 32 is nice, the video camera/journal technique to allow character introspection normally is forced, but in this context it is not as cheap of a plot device as it should be.

On duck story. This is why short stories still exist. We get to have fun with random wtf style moments, the classic twi t of a "duck end" still shocking to most readers. It was a nice little fluff work, although it felt highly reactionary. Why?

On the story issues in general. I feel that the best stories have characters that are properly developed, settings that are real but they can be fantastic (it is an art i feel to make a good fantasy story, as the rules are much more harder than people think). And an ending that works with the context of a story. A bad ending would be something like care bears ending in a grimdark bloodbath (unless you are a twist ending writer like m knight shamlaan) or the grimdark adventures of the badass men ending in loving hugs (unless you want to make some sort of odd war message) then again, a story's ending is up to the author, and we as readers simply interpret it.

Disclaimer: I am a film student, so deconstruction is what i do best.

Goose: Now you know how i feel when you don't understand my passion about a man (or woman's) burning spirit! The passion of flames burning forth! Hot blooded effort and guts balls out kicking conventional reason to the side!
Yes burning justice!!!! Burning friendship!!! Hot blooded manly gar!!!
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Old 2008-11-06, 17:23   Link #10711
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Good to see that Vivio is still soldeiring on.
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Old 2008-11-06, 17:45   Link #10712
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So after saying I'd write this well... A looooong time ago. I just now did it!
This crack contains nudity so don't read it if you're offended by that kind of stuff. Nothing explicit or detailed so I think it's AS safe.

Spoiler for An Ace of Lyrical:


*Flees*
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Old 2008-11-06, 18:34   Link #10713
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hmm... much to comment on... and holybejebuskrisswrotesomethingwillreportonlater

On Duck: Wow... and I thought I took crack as serious buisness.

On Goose: I do in fact 100% agree. Self-sacrifice is perhaps one of, if not the greatest, forms of love, as long as it's used sparingly in fiction to keep it from becoming really really cheesy.

On the FFT v. OCT: Anyone can post here. Everything's read just not commented on. Though I agree that the OCT is the better place to head for well... I'm not quite sure how to explain it but I go there whenever I need a military/explosions fix.

And finally.... [warning: major fanswording ahead]
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...postcount=2143

Go read this now. Tempest posted it in the OCT (I'm not sure if it was posted here too as I'm ashamed to say I kept putting reading this off) It's called The Gospel of Judas and it is quickly turning into an epic tale. It's the kind of story that had me gripping my head in agony two pages in because I didn't understand why I put it off. I don't want to say anything more but if you have any interest in action, and adventure, at least give it a try, it won't be for everyone but you might just like it. There are only two parts out at the moment (You can find the second by clicking in Tempest's signature).
I'll PM you a full real review later Tempest and I'm sorry for fanning so much but I fully enjoyed it and am now waiting for part 3 anxiously and I couldn't help but share it with anyone who might also like it.

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Old 2008-11-06, 19:16   Link #10714
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DIVIDED DESTINY
Two People, Two Paths

Spoiler for Divided Destiny, pt. 18:


Previous Installments
-Intro
-Chapter 01
-Chapter 02
-Chapter 03
-Chapter 04
-Chapter 05
-Chapter 06
-Chapter 07
-Chapter 08
-Chapter 09
-Chapter 10
-Chapter 11
-Chapter 12
-Chapter 13
-Chapter 14
-Chapter 15
-Chapter 16
-Chapter 17
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Old 2008-11-06, 19:24   Link #10715
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Good news!

I'm working on another Lutecia/Vivio one-shot and the next chapter of Bless the Broken Road.

Bad news.

The one-shot's shaping up to be long, and the chapter's kind of fighting me.
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Old 2008-11-06, 19:47   Link #10716
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Spoiler for Chapter 7:


What would you do?
A)Stay put and wait for help from Earth
B)Go undercover and search for Hayate
C)Go undercover and get help from Chrono


Spoiler for Unrelated Belkan Army:

This is from Ace Combat Zero: The Belkan War (Wow, everbody loves an alternate Germany )
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Old 2008-11-06, 20:35   Link #10717
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What would you do?
A)Stay put and wait for help from Earth
B)Go undercover and search for Hayate
C)Go undercover and get help from Chrono
D) Nuke the site from orbit. (It's the only way to be sure.)


What's with the annoying choose your own adventure around here? Do I need to clean house with liberal use of otherwise banned mass based weaponry? I will you know.
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Old 2008-11-06, 20:35   Link #10718
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DIVIDED DESTINY
Two People, Two Paths

Spoiler for Divided Destiny, pt. 18:


Previous Installments
-Intro
-Chapter 01
-Chapter 02
-Chapter 03
-Chapter 04
-Chapter 05
-Chapter 06
-Chapter 07
-Chapter 08
-Chapter 09
-Chapter 10
-Chapter 11
-Chapter 12
-Chapter 13
-Chapter 14
-Chapter 15
-Chapter 16
-Chapter 17
First to Vote!
I pick A naturally.

A Savant computer? I think Bardiche (Spelling?) is about to arrive
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Old 2008-11-06, 20:45   Link #10719
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Spoiler for Unrelated Belkan Army:

This is from Ace Combat Zero: The Belkan War (Wow, everbody loves an alternate Germany )
Arguably a better Belka.
Then there was that one time I fused this fictional Belka and Nanoha Belka :x
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Old 2008-11-06, 21:04   Link #10720
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I'm Army, Rick. THINK about it.
In the game they say "HU-RA!" XP

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The OC thread is mainly military people who go for war. The fanfic thread is mainly fluff addicts who go for love.

We both like different things, so generally the war stuff is accepted on OC thread (even if it really isn't OC much) and the love stuff is more accepted here ( even if , for example, Syn shows up)
Wait... it means that...

I can't be here then!

"Runs to a corner and cries"

EDIT: Page claim in the name of...

Spoiler for :
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