|View Poll Results: Clannad ~After Story~ - Episode 16 Rating|
|9 out of 10 : Excellent||38||14.90%|
|8 out of 10 : Very Good||20||7.84%|
|7 out of 10 : Good||4||1.57%|
|6 out of 10 : Average||2||0.78%|
|5 out of 10 : Below Average||1||0.39%|
|4 out of 10 : Poor||0||0%|
|3 out of 10 : Bad||0||0%|
|2 out of 10 : Very Bad||1||0.39%|
|1 out of 10 : Painful||9||3.53%|
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|2009-01-30, 10:45||Link #83|
Part-Time TTK & Master
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Iwakawa base and Chaldea
Judging from the last thoughts of Tomoya (if I did this, it should not have happened, etc...), we are in for a very rough ride. I am guessing he is engaging on a path that is more self-destructive.
|2009-01-30, 10:48||Link #84|
Join Date: Apr 2006
Great. Then just as he hits rock bottom, Ushio will do something Nagisa-like and he'll have an epiphany that in a way Nagisa never did leave him and he'll want to live again. DANG IT! SO LAME! What happened to my show about a couple becoming a family!?!?!
Last edited by FTV; 2009-01-30 at 11:04. Reason: Oh right Ushio
|2009-01-30, 11:25||Link #86|
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Virginia Tech
|2009-01-30, 11:58||Link #92|
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: In the middle of nowhere
Oh, and now that I've slightly gotten over my initial state of being a total emotional wreck, I'll point out that the animation in the Illusionary World-scenes looked considerably worse than usual in this episode...
|2009-01-30, 12:02||Link #93|
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Retracing my steps.....
I've shed tears for quite a few anime in the past but this is probably the most ever for me. Not only did I shed tears, I actually had the lip quiver going....I may have even made a "puu" sound ......
I saw it coming even though I have never read spoilers about this game, but now it looks like we are going to get a slap across the face with the irony-stick as Tomoya now becomes like his father. Hopefully Ushio inherits Nagisa's natural kindness and brings Tomoya back from the brink.
I don't blame Tomoya for his sadness, if I ever had a person like Nagisa and then lost her I'd probably be pretty devastated too. Might even consider joining her on the other side if I were him. But considering the sacrifice Nagisa made in order to bring Ushio into this world, Tomoya better not even consider it, he has a duty to raise Ushio well in response to her sacrifice.
Anyway, really well done episode that I wish was never ever made. I want the Super-happy-ending dammit. Or I'd at least settle for the Scooby-Doo ending or something... just not this.
|2009-01-30, 12:43||Link #98|
Resident Car Buff
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Regina, Canada
|2009-01-30, 12:48||Link #99|
Komrades of Kitamura Kou
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Where I can learn to be lonely.
Gah. I probably retyped this maybe 3 times for the places I posted and provided it for. One of the more difficult things I've had to type in... well a long time...
The White Darkness.
Classic symbolism, the direct comparison of two opposing words intending for it to mean the same thing. Honestly if I never played the game I probably would not have understood what it reall means. White darkness could easily mean so many different things.
But for the case of this particular moment of human suffering, I can but imagine the icy cold snow. It can kill humans in minutes, it covers life and makes it barren, it shapes the land by force and will. To some, a harbinger of joy. To others, of doom. The snow that envelopes the earth and robs it of its life and warmth. It reminds of a blank white slate of beginning, or should I say, erases everything back into a blank white slate.
A white blanketing sheet, terrifying in its almost magestic beauty that hides death underneath.
Both the real and illusionary world are slowly being covered by the snow. The robot hastily builds their flying machine as the girl in the ended world weakens daily. Escape is the only means of salvation for both, if either were to find the happiness that had always eluded them.
"There could be other worlds out there"
Maybe I'm getting jaded too fast and too young, but I miss gatherings like this. Old friends who have moved in separate ways yet have a single common place where they can be together again. Gathering together I assume near the end of Nagisa's last trimester, they ponder just how far their lives have gone at that point. They question their travels they have gone, but as for the presumably still single ones go, wonder if the Okazaki's have gone farther than they have.
And as the occassion goes forward, we are then treated to a simplified discussion on String Theory. There have always been times where I wondered if the writers of this tale had theoretical physics in mind, once considering the soundness of some of the ideas it had in comparison to beliefs in multiple dimenshions. Perhaps Key had something going on during production, but at the end we never really see the science of it all, perhaps just the humanity.
What are these worlds, exactly? A game vet will answer with his own interpretation, but this is at the heart of this tale of love, loss, and redemption. To say more may be a sin, and I assume KyotoAni knows well enough to provide this information.
"Maybe I've come to hate this place..."
Despair is surely a powerful and all-encompassing feeling. It feeds on fear, insecurities, doubts and its ilk. As the steel frames of the hospital rise, the father and the grandfather share their thoughts on the event that creeps ever closer to their already tormented lives. Tomoya still feels the curse of the city that seems to want to torment him. In a city that gave him nothing but sadness and loneliness and he found just one beacon of light in this white darkness. A light that was slowly fading away.
Did he feel hatred because the town was punishing Nagisa? Did he feel hatred that Nagisa was being punished because of him? I really don't know the answer to that. Despite all his monologues and statements, it has never been clearly said. All we know is that this town where he grew up in has perhaps never been anything but cruel to him. And now in his most dire of hours, it seeks to punish him again.
Not just him, but also the one most precious to him.
"Please... let me rest for a little bit..."
And so it begins...
Everyone who has ever played the game has been afraid of this moment. The central event of Clannad occurring in a tiny apartment, in the middle of a spiteful snowstorm, between a man, a woman, and a child. Their child.
I have to admit it now. Rarely do I see that an adaptation can surpass its original material in sheer delivery and execution, but this is one of those times. I have to admit that having been through this exact scene before in a different format, I thought I wouldn't be affected as I was the first time. Boy was I farking wrong. I needed a hand towel, just like before.
For some people, going into labor could be considered a not-so-rare occurrence. Then again, not all pregnant bodies can handle the stress of labor when it isn't the time yet, and again I doubt Nagisa was one of them.
But labor is a finicky master. If it comes, it comes. The painful writhing of a mother delivering her first born is a difficult sight to behold even though I have seen it before. In Nagisa's case... god almighty... the mere fact of the dangers involved and the possible outcomes it may have is a dagger of much sharper make.
Husbands can only but watch in their own agony, knowing too well that there really isn't a damn thing they can do about it. All they can do is clasp her hand, tightly, and be there for her. For their child.
All one can do is pray and hope for their safety.
Cue excessive bawwing here.
What is 18:57? Based on AQS' sub, you'll notice that Nagisa open her mouth in her struggle to speak, but we don't hear anything audibly. Tomoya asked her a question beforehand and she tries to answer, but all we get is the 18th minute, 57th second. Nagisa speaks a word neither the watcher nor Tomoya could here.
This may have essentially been... the last words that Nagisa said. A word nobody was able to hear.
This, for me, is the moment I will always remember for this episode.
Final words, spoken, yet unheard. Nobody knows what she said, and that's what makes it all the more painful....
"This is our daughter, Ushio"
The infamous monologue. Freaking heart wrenching as it was, even more so that it is spoken.
Hopes for the future as they both had wished. How they'd try to raise their child, how she'd become a crybaby like her mom. How they'd be there for her first day in school. So many wishes, so many dreams.
Is this the end of such a dream?
"You said we'd always be together..."
The hand goes limp. Looking at the scene, I can tell myself that her skin had suddenly become pale. Tomoya struggles to hold her hand, but her hand no longer holds his. The hand is lifeless. He tries to make her feel Ushio's face, but again the hand falls to the floor, lifeless, empty, barren.
He can only but remember the days he spent with the one most precious to him, all the way from the very recent to the very past.
The proposal of marriage. The moving out into an apartment. Her graduation day. His graduation day. The times spent with friends and family. The moment he declared his love for her. The time spent rebuilding the drama club. The day they ate lunch in the school grounds.
All the way to the day they met... at the bottom of that hill... one April morning...
"Do you like this school...?"
It is that day again. The day they met, on the bottom of that hill, to the blossoming cherry trees. Only this time, he does not answer her.
What then would it have been like? What would it have been like if they never met? Never spoke? What would it have been like if these two never knew each other? Would Nagisa have survived? Would she have lived without pain? Would she have been able to live a full life, not dying in the middle of childbirth? Would she have found greater happiness?
As Tomoya thinks, Nagisa passes by him, down the hill and away from school. He does not speak. He only watches her walk away. Into the white darkness.
Reality would beckon for Tomoya again. Ushio is now in his arms, on the futon the lifeless body of the one most precious to him. He must now, again, live his life.
A life without Nagisa.
Good Lord. Maybe I need to see a therapist at some point.
|2009-01-30, 12:48||Link #100|
The Comet has Come
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Republic of California
I went to bed several hours after watching more humorous shows (Minami-ke).
Woke up early with a headache and realized after a while that I'd been crying because I was looping "Dango Daikazoku" in my head.