Romance in Macross (Take 2)

[abynormal]

Originally Posted by magnuskn

Yeah, totally different storylines, I´d say. Otherwise, would Alto have been the character permanently to be rescued by Ranka?

"I'm sorry Ranka, the princess is in another castle."
"Eeeehhh?"

[zalem]

Originally Posted by pato

But, why not? I mean, the setup of Macross Plus was basically the same and was quite interesting. People tend to forget that Macross' producers are romance specialists. I believe also that in a Brera-Alto-Ranka triangle the characterization had been much different, which had made the triangle much more interesting to watch.

Like willyverb said, she is too immature, both mentally and looks wise, for romance. It's the main reason why AltoxRanka was such a turn off for me. Making two guys fight over her would just make the problem worse.

While it's true that we don't know how things would have panned out, I just get the feeling Ranka would have been the same for the most part.

[Tak]

Originally Posted by pato

But, why not? I mean, the setup of Macross Plus was basically the same and was quite interesting. People tend to forget that Macross' producers are romance specialists. I believe also that in a Brera-Alto-Ranka triangle the characterization had been much different, which had made the triangle much more interesting to watch.

Except Myung is considered to be the most hated Macross female leads. Her interactions with Guld and Isamu put a bad taste in my mouth. The fact that she voluntarily slept with the person who raped her was just too much for my psych.

Originally Posted by pato

In fact, I consider that in all macross series the romance aspect has been well executed, even in M7 (despite Basara's choice).

Macross 7 hardly had any romance and Basara didn't even make a choice. Although most fans agree, Basara and Emilia probably had more chemistry in one episode than he and Mylene in 49.

Originally Posted by Westlo

You also have to factor in that Minmei was massive in Japan, clearly bigger than Ranka and even Sheryl who is more popular than Ranka. Minmei made Mari Iijima a star, Ranka's VA can't even get in the top ten of the daily charts in a slow/weak sales week.

While in her glory days, Minmei was indeed popular, but I doubt most fans would be able to retain much of the memory regarding Minmei 25 years later. As I browse through the official Macross Frontier BBS, I notice that a lot of younger fans are trying to find out more about Minmei, because they don't know anything about her.

In any case, Ijima was just a start. She did not achieve the kind of international fame as later Macross singers, probably due to the lack of globalization her successors enjoyed

Take Mac 7 for example, we can bitch at the show however we like it, but the fact is, the singer behind Basara now has a successful career owe to no small amount of his efforts in Mac 7. May'n went even further. She not only has her songs up in the charts but probably the first Macross idol to launch a concert outside of Japan.

Of course, her CDs are on sale all over East Asia.

With the sole exception to Macross Zero, every other Macross idol made advances to their careers using Macross as a launching pad. If Gundam exist to sell kits, Macross exist to sell songs.

- Tak

[magnuskn]

With her rising popularity, I hope they get May'n back if Kawamori decides one day to make Macross Frontier 2: The Wrath of Klan.

[MFSxA]

Originally Posted by magnuskn

With her rising popularity, I hope they get May'n back if Kawamori decides one day to make Macross Frontier 2: The Wrath of Klan.

Macross Frontier: Wrath of the Zentran

[pato]

Originally Posted by Tak

Except Myung is considered to be the most hated Macross female leads. Her interactions with Guld and Isamu put a bad taste in my mouth. The fact that she voluntarily slept with the person who raped her was just too much for my psych.

Indeed, but the point is still valid, even with a pathetic female lead the triangle was interesting. I'm confident that an Alto-Brera-Ranka had been interesting, as well. With that said, I have to concede that without any changes to Ranka characterization the show would be unwatchable. M+ worked, IMO, with such disfunctional relationship (all three leads are really immature) because it was short, 24 episodes of the same interaction had been difficult to bear.

Macross 7 hardly had any romance and Basara didn't even make a choice. Although most fans agree, Basara and Emilia probably had more chemistry in one episode than he and Mylene in 49.

It is difficult for me to defend a show that I dislike. I hated mechas with faces, Basara, sound energy, space vampires and so on. The only interesting think that I, to certain degree, enjoyed was the chase (romance?) Gamlin->Mylene->Basara->Sybil but I have to agree with you, Emilia and Basara had more chemistry, I only hope that they didn't end up together (too much Meltran for him).

[raile]

I felt sorry for Lucy.

For me...

Lucy>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Myung

[Urei]

Your not the only one, raile. At least Lucy had a bit of character. Not like that short haired, good for nothing woman. She was most probably the worst female lead in Macross universe.

[Father Hentai]

could we somehow agree to call the persons by name? I understand that we have some different opinions regarding the different characters but that does not mean to tend to reflect this in every single posting. You got your single threads to do that...

[erfine]

Originally Posted by Father Hentai

could we somehow agree to call the persons by name? I understand that we have some different opinions regarding the different characters but that does not mean to tend to reflect this in every single posting. You got your single threads to do that...

You're talking about Myung?

[cerrian]

You know Urei was referring to Myung when he described said person as a "woman". Now, if it was Ranka that was being discussed, I'd expect something along the of:

"Not like that green haired, good for nothing moe-blob"
or
"Not like that green haired, good for nothing loli"
or
"Not like that green haired, good for nothing DFC"

Not trying to be mean or anything, it's just what I would expect from a person that's attempting to bash Ranka. Same reason you probably won't find peeps calling Ranka a "bitch", "slut", etc. If anything you'd expect to see peeps bashing her as a selfish brat, whiner, helpless loli, moe-blob, infantile, etc. I guess it helps having to have read the previous 5-6 posts that were discussing Myung's popularity.

[Father Hentai]

it doesn't friggin matter if the person is green, purple, blue, brown, black or whatever hairs color. It starts getting odd to read complete pages where you have at least one post of shipping running through.

Spoiler for Nothin' to do with Macross :P:

btw. Happy Birthday Satoshi Urushihara.

[erfine]

Don't worry, you're not alone. Nobody reads anyone else's opinion around here.

[DeX-kun]

Originally Posted by erfine

Don't worry, you're not alone. Nobody reads anyone else's opinion around here.

On the contrary xD I read just about everyone's opinions but I tend to lurk more often now and only give my opinions where I feel that I have something worth mentioning I do agree though, maybe we should call the characters by their names, some people don't know some characters and are kind of lost on the topic of discussion so it kind of prevents others from putting their opinions in.

[4Tran]

Originally Posted by Urei

You know, this is kind of amazing that the original setting got scrapped and the 'other' plan that got animated became more popular.

It really shouldn't come as that much of a surprise. Preliminary planning is just that: preliminary. Creators can come up with better ideas for what they want to do further along in the production. Likewise, they can get better feels for what they want to do with particular characters, and improve on the original conception. Case in point: SDF Macross itself was originally conceived as a parody of Gundam, but the actual show exhibits almost none of this.

Originally Posted by zalem

Like willyverb said, she is too immature, both mentally and looks wise, for romance. It's the main reason why AltoxRanka was such a turn off for me. Making two guys fight over her would just make the problem worse.

While I rather like Ranka in general, I think that the creators would have had more freedom to do more things with her if she hadn't been set up as such a very young character (in terms of personality and appearance, if not actual age). I think that one big problem they had with her character near the end of the series was that they couldn't do as much with her as they may have wanted.

Originally Posted by DeX-kun

I do agree though, maybe we should call the characters by their names, some people don't know some characters and are kind of lost on the topic of discussion so it kind of prevents others from putting their opinions in.

I agree with the first sentiment. It's preferable to use actual names than derogatory slurs. At least with names, it's possible to keep some civility.

[BetoJR]

I, for one, think some people's undies are way too tight, over here. Again.

As for poor Myung... I don't really mind her all that much. In fact, Macross Plus is probably the best short in the series (well, I'm not really a fan of Zero, other than the action scenes)...

[DeX-kun]

Originally Posted by BetoJR

I, for one, think some people's undies are way too tight, over here. Again.

As for poor Myung... I don't really mind her all that much. In fact, Macross Plus is probably the best short in the series (well, I'm not really a fan of Zero, other than the action scenes)...

I wear boxers

[BetoJR]

Originally Posted by DeX-kun

I wear boxers

Not to worry, mate. Wasn't exactly talking about you, there...
And I wear boxers, too, myself.

[zalem]

Originally Posted by BetoJR

I, for one, think some people's undies are way too tight, over here. Again.

As for poor Myung... I don't really mind her all that much. In fact, Macross Plus is probably the best short in the series (well, I'm not really a fan of Zero, other than the action scenes)...

I do too.

I thought it pretty obvious Urei was referring to Myung. All the prior posts were concerning Myung and Urei's post was in response to raile's (which was about Lucy & Myung). But anyway....I suppose to make it easier for some people one can use names.

As for me, I don't care about Myung. That's my opinion on her.

[Westlo]

Originally Posted by BetoJR

As for poor Myung... I don't really mind her all that much. In fact, Macross Plus is probably the best short in the series (well, I'm not really a fan of Zero, other than the action scenes)...

I didn't mind Myung and honestly Lucy's actions in the series were dumb, the movie version made her reasons for withholding the call much better.

OVA = "Lol Isamu, I didn't tell you Myung called because you hit on me"

Vs

Movie = "lol Isamu I didn't tell you Myung called because you slept with me and I thought we might be serious.

Also I don't think Guld raped Myung, I just can't conceive her sleeping with Guld if he did rape her back than. More like he ripped off her clothes and he stopped himself before he did it but than he twisted it in his mind to Isamu doing what he did but worse.

And speaking of Myung, Voices is awesome, thank god Megumi isn't covering that on her next single! Akino Arai ftw.