(L) Toradora! Novel Discussion

[typhonsentra]

The first 2ch spoiler was most likely just a guy who quickly skimmed through the book which explains the discrepancy.

[MeoTwister5]

Thank you sirs. Currently preparing for mind asplosions when episode 25 rolls around, assuming I still have a mind left when Clannad's final episode airs.

[roan]

Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

While this thread has caused my mind to aspload at least twice, I'm getting mixed impressions about the ending when...

Spoiler for Ending spoilers?:

Some posts say they'll be together again, albeit after a period of time again during their next school year, while some apparently say the night before she leaves is their last moment together.

So... which is it exactly?

Hahahaha

Spoiler:

Hahahaha, I'll give a proper, but short summary.
They flounder around for a while and end up at the bridge. I already described that, so I won't go any further.

After that, the gang finds them and brings them to Ami's place (not the villa), where they discuss what they'll be doing next and Ryuuji and Taiga let them in on their plans on running away until he turns 18 and then marrying. Ami objects to the whole thing being unrealistic, Kitamura supports whatever Ryuuji is going to do. Minori has mixed feelings since while she doesn't like the idea of Ryuuji and Taiga being separated, the whole idea sounds stupid. But she still agrees to support Ryuuji. Then, after hearing some sappy talking between Ryuuji and Taiga, Ami breaks out laughing and throws them the key to the villa.

It's a bit too late to take the trains, neither of them are carrying any money, and it'd probably be a good idea to talk to Yasuko first, so for the time being Taiga goes back to her mother and convinces her to give her one more day to say her goodbyes (they plan to run away together when they meet up at school). Ryuuji's also feeling worried about not seeing her again, but he goes back home, only to find Yasuko gone. He begins freaking out at the possibility that the unhappy cycle of parent-child abandonment is going to happen with Taiga too and has some big realization that the only way to secure their happiness is if everyone else around them is happy too.

The night passes and he goes to school. Taiga still hasn't shown up and he's getting extremely worried, but finally she shows up together with the HR teacher, who is announcing that Taiga is going to be transferring. Haruta suddenly passes out (he's acting) and while everyone's looking at him, Ryuuji and Taiga sneak off together. After the great escape, Taiga's mother is talking to the teacher about what her stupid daughter did and is starting to regret how her own fighting with her ex and shrugging off of her responsibilities resulted in this....but that's not really important.

Anyway while on the run, Ryuuji tells Taiga what happened with Yasuko, and they confirm with each other what they both really want and have to do and that would be to save Yasuko and to be together (and not because one of them is just following along with what the other is saying). So, instead of going to the villa, they go find where Yasuko's parents live. *Snip* off a bunch of nice moments and interactions, and they talk about their current situation with Ryuuji's grandparents. Personally, it seems more like he's introducing his fiance to his parents.....but never mind.

Taiga gets Yasuko to come by sending an email to her about Ryuuji being hurt. After a while, Yasuko shows up and they both make up in an emotional scene that's going to take too long to describe. Yasuko's also doing the same with her parents, but that's off-screen and not important. Meanwhile, the futon scene happens.

The next day, Taiga's gone because she also decides she has to fix her relationship with her mother and Ryuuji's sulking in his futon, but then runs out screaming and crying after he knows she's gone.

Sometime later, Ryuuji and the gang meet up inside Taiga's apartment. There's nothing's there and nobody inside. Minori's going to run off to catch Taiga, but he stops her and she shouts at him, asking if he's sad. He screams that he's not (he obviously is) and yells at Taiga (who's obviously far, far, gone) to keep going since this is something they have to endure for a while, but says that she'll come back. Then,

Ami (while crying): ....Do you think that Taiga wants to see me again too?

Ryuuji: You have to think that you want to see her. If you need her, and it's not about her needing you, say it. Show it by your actions. The only one that can express what you're thinking is yourself..... You have to move for your own sake!

Ami: I.....I wanna to see Taiga again! I wanna be here when Taiga comes back! I wanna be better friends with Minori-chan! I wanna make up with Takasu-kun too! .....I don't wanna stop being friends! I want to be friends forever! I want to have fun with everyone, I want to be with everyone, I love everyone....!

Kitamura: What about me!?"

Ami: I don't give a damn about Yuusaku!


At school, Ryuuji fills in his post-graduation form with the declaration that making everyone happy is his objective. Stuff happens, with Ryuuji mentally asking Taiga to come back soon.

Then, 2 months later, the first day of his 3rd-year at school, he bumps into Taiga. Turns out that Taiga's able to stay in town on the condition that she looks after her baby brother (but this is for 1 year only). Some more awwwwwww moments and Taiga and Ryuuji walk to school, holding each other's hands while they're both dreaming up a happy future where they're living together.

The end.

And that's it. If anyone wants anything else, just PM me.

[typhonsentra]

We've been running you dry but thanks for coming back and giving these final details.

Spoiler:

So it seems you were right about her mom being pregnant too.

[MeoTwister5]

Thank you dear sir, my mind just asploaded again, which it really shouldn't because I have exams in less than 12 hours.

A cookie for thou.

[wistfulloner]

Why do people love the MASSIVE spoilers so much? It's not a personal attack against you, roan, but I'm wondering how come people like to spoil the ending for themselves. Perhaps they enjoy Toradora that way, but really, I would rather keep the suspense intact.

Waiting 3/4 of a month to enjoy an unspoiled ending won't kill me.

[typhonsentra]

For me, a story isn't necessarily ruined just because I know the details. Yeah, I'd prefer to read the books myself but that isn't an option and I prefer it to having my original viewpoint of the story afflicted by whatever the anime alters/cuts.

[Miles Teg]

Originally Posted by wistfulloner

Why do people love the MASSIVE spoilers so much? It's not a personal attack against you, roan, but I'm wondering how come people like to spoil the ending for themselves. Perhaps they enjoy Toradora that way, but really, I would rather keep the suspense intact.

Waiting 3/4 of a month to enjoy an unspoiled ending won't kill me.

For me spoiler make me want to read/see the (full) story even more but I know that for some people that seem strange And after reading Roan spoiler I want the episode of Toradora to come faster

[SageGaiGar]

It's part pre-emptive strike and just liking to know. Then I can look ahead to what's coming up.

Most importantly, I have a semi clue of what's happening when I watch Raws.

[Tsukuyomii]

I don't think that the spoilers ruined the story...
The spoilers are tiny hopes for us, that maybe the story is fixed by the end...

But yet another loli wins the heart of the hero THAT WAS INLOVE IN ANOTHER GIRL!
GOD that story is FAR from slice of life.

[Led_Zeppelin]

Dear Roan if for some Reason you come to Buenos Aires, and see a Statue in the middle of the City and the text "Dedicado a la grossura de Roan" ... that's my way to say THANKS FOR ALL...

[crystalalien87]

Originally Posted by Tango337

Spoiler:

How exactly wouldn't it make sense? The scene where they did it wasn't exactly specified but people in love do those things you know, taiga and ryuuji are most definitely in love. About the marriage, ryuuji apparently proposed to her while they were having the little arguement at the bridge and they will marry after graduation or something. Roan said he was done with this thread so all the summaries he gave are about as much as we'll get for now and we're left with the anime to show us more.

it doesnt make sense because it doesnt fit his character...i understand he is a teen but he doesn't portray a person who would say i love you..not lets have sex?

Originally Posted by wistfulloner

I would seriously question Ryuji's ethics if he really "did" Taiga.

It just seems so... out of place, out of character.

I feel the same way...it like saying saito from ZnT wouldnt have sex with louise when you know he would because his character is portrayed that way...

Originally Posted by SakuraAyanami

In that case you should try to understand the feelings of the characters that you are reading.
He has always been displayed as a normal teen who also has hormones. Just because he has never acted upon them (because he is not the generic male lead that drools and has nose bleeds at the sight of panties or boobs)doesn't mean that he can't get heat up in the mist of passion or hormonal drive.

ryuuji is a normal teen? i think not...? who has a cleaning obsession here not me...

Originally Posted by BetoJR

Good Lord, why is sex such a big no-no to some people? It's a curious kind of behavior, to me...

yea in real life it is...not in the wonderful world of anime...people have a hard time separating the two... i dont care if they have relations...as long as its done correctly and not rushed...which apparently it is in this situation

[Tyabann]

What is it with you people and sex, seriously?

It's not like it's NOT something teenagers do.

Originally Posted by roan

*snip*

Originally Posted by roan

*also snip*

roan, seriously, you rock.

I'm glad there's someone on this site who can actually read Japanese and has the time to post this sort of thing, heh.

[crystalalien87]

^^^i never said teenagers dont do it???it just feels out of place for ryuuji character....the marriage thing doesnt bother me...its just the random sex part...

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by crystalalien87

^^^i never said teenagers dont do it???it just feels out of place for ryuuji character....the marriage thing doesnt bother me...its just the random sex part...

...So, married people don't have sex?

[Janifuu]

I don't see how the two of them having sex wouldn't make sense? After all they have gone through to finally realize their love for one another, I'd think they want to make up for all that lost time? You guys have no drive for passion it seems.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Janifuu

I don't see how the two of them having sex wouldn't make sense? After all they have gone through to finally realize their love for one another, I'd think they want to make up for all that lost time? You guys have no drive for passion it seems.

Exactly. This is what people in love DO.

[LC]

Thanks, roan, for the detailed summary!

When I just read the spoilers, the story didn't seem that interesting or funny; but now it seems much better. =)

[crystalalien87]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

...So, married people don't have sex?

actually yes...for those who live the old fashioned way
but did i say that?!?! Noo...

it just feels out of place for his character.... it just seems rushed...ryuuji can fuck the piss out of taiga for all i care...it just seems rushed as the story builds all this love between them and like the last book it goes from first kiss to lets fuck... its like generic porn...skip the talking lets fuck

so like i will say again...im not against the sex scene..i just think its rushed

[(o^^)-o*(x_x)*]

Originally Posted by Janifuu

I don't see how the two of them having sex wouldn't make sense? After all they have gone through to finally realize their love for one another, I'd think they want to make up for all that lost time? You guys have no drive for passion it seems.

It's not that I find the act of sex offensive or anything, but the impression I got from reading the initial spoiler. I was under the impression after they got to Ami's place, Taiga and Ryuuji were "HURR DURR, Lets have sex!"

Of course after reading roan's more in-depth spoiler, how it plays out to the said event makes a bit more sense.