Current Events in Iran

[bayoab]

Originally Posted by Shadow Kira01

No wonder why it took him a few days before coming up with a more proper reaction to the issues of Iran. Finally, he is taking the right approach to the situation but it is somewhat late as that the crackdown has already began and that tons of people are getting killed by the moment.

A more proper response? He pretty much came out and made a statement against the violence when it was clear that it was completely unwarranted violence against the protesters. There was no real delay in his reaction.

Spoiler for off-topic:

Speaking of which, I have satellite television and that most of my channels are news channels or duplicate channels. Got up-to-date information on Tehran by the minute.

I highly doubt that is was up to date since almost all news channels have been at least 4-6 hours behind on their Iran news. This includes the better ones such as BBC and Al Jazeera who were more on top of things than others.

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

there is not such thing as a religion of peace in monothistic religions
the only peace that such religion's can accept is when anyone NOT part of said religion is either dead or inslaved
the moment you say there is only one god, you say that everyone who DOESNT believe in him must die (basiclly)

That isn't true at all. Technically, Islamic teachings are about tolerance of the "children of Abraham" (i.e. the major 3 monotheistic religions) and Judaism teaches tolerance for all people regardless of their beliefs.

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by bayoab

That isn't true at all. Technically, Islamic teachings are about tolerance of the "children of Abraham" (i.e. the major 3 monotheistic religions) and Judaism teaches tolerance for all people regardless of their beliefs.

sorry to disappoint you
"Technically" wont get you far
and its not even Technically true

Spoiler for off topic response:

Judaism is far from peaceful and accepting of other people's beliefs
its just never been powerful enough in the past 2000 years (when Christianity and Islam were invented) to actually DO much about it
a mere GLANCE at the bible would show you what the hebrew god intended for the people who dont follow him (and i say this despite BEING jewish)

Christianity is based on the same amount of crap, except that in their case you also have a massive fetish about atonement
its designed around the notion that our time on this earth is a LIMITED option, and that this fact is a GOOD thing
it would have been better if not for the fact that jesus makes it clear that everything that came in the old testiment STILL applies
and it came up with the concept of heaven and hell as a way to scare people into obeying the higher mucky muckes (Judaism originally doesnt have an after life, "ash to ash dust to dust")

and islam is arguably even worse, since at the very least jews dont believe in converting people to Judaism (you have to work your ass off to be accepted as a converted)
you made it clear to point out that islam supposebly respects the "children of Abraham"
which, while not actually true, tells you all you need to know about their treatment of the OTHER religions of the world (of which there are more)
the Koran tells you very clearly its postion about how you treat infidels, and apostates
it makes it clear that the world is divided into two houses, the house of islam and the house of war
and it actually DOES say that to battle for a day is better then years or praying

the only way you can come to believe that religion is a PEACEFUL
or that it teach's tolerance and acceptance, is by blatantly IGNORING most of what the holy books say (which is ironiclly, what most people actually DO)
the people that the western world are being attacked by arent "fandamentalists" or "extremists"
they are simply BELIEVERS
people who actually read the books and BUY INTO IT
all you have to do is really believe that the book is the word of god, the rest of the instructions are written down in it

[Mushi]

Originally Posted by yezhanquan

Aye. But radical teachings + letting them loose on the streets armed = People, we have a problem.

Sounds like the latest demonstration was the bloodiest so far. There are reports today of Basij using axes, slashing at people "like butchers."

I found this from a Sept. 2007 blog post.

Spoiler:

Imagine that times several thousand in downtown Tehran.


What Twitter looks like to many Iranians:

Spoiler:

[Shadow Kira01]

I am sure the Iranian protestors aren't stupid. Explaining the Twitter error will most likely result in getting slashed by axes.

[Mushi]

Well, I said many Iranians... some are still tweeting.

http://twitter.com/oxfordgirl

One of the regulars on #IranElection. Someone reported yesterday that she'd been arrested, but she's still at it today (assuming 'she' by the name). I've only been reading Twitter for a few days, but I think she's legitimate - 7,760 followers, so she's been around for a while. These people are risking their very lives just for a chance to communicate outside of Iran. I imagine, that for many, it's the only sense of freedom they have.

Hackers have been trying...

Spoiler:

I'm giving a screenshot so you guys don't have to go to that site. You can see it live, if you want, by typing that IP # into your browser address.

[bayoab]

Originally Posted by Mushi

Well, I said many Iranians... some are still tweeting.

One of the regulars on #IranElection. Someone reported yesterday that she'd been arrested, but she's still at it today (assuming 'she' by the name). I've only been reading Twitter for a few days, but I think she's legitimate - 7,760 followers, so she's been around for a while.

Fark has concluded that OG isn't actually in Iran but is getting information from others in Iran. The information coming from that twitter account is usually considered rumor without other confirmation. Other people who are actually confirmed to be in Iran have been going dark.

[Mushi]

Originally Posted by bayoab

Fark has concluded that OG isn't actually in Iran but is getting information from others in Iran. The information coming from that twitter account is usually considered rumor without other confirmation. Other people who are actually confirmed to be in Iran have been going dark.

Ah, ok. Thanks for that clarification.

[SaintessHeart]

Originally Posted by Mushi

Hackers have been trying...

Spoiler:

I'm giving a screenshot so you guys don't have to go to that site. You can see it live, if you want, by typing that IP # into your browser address.

That is a smart one. Giving brief details of the Iranian Government security services. I have never ran Webknight before, but I do know that ALL security systems are hackable, even government ones (good examples would be how the Gaobot worm penetrated Singapore's MOE webserver, and how US's Energy Grid systems was hacked earlier this year).

Iran has ordered most of their foreign media out of the country. The world is pretty much in the dark about what is going on in there.

Originally Posted by Amex_Yohko

Here in Malaysia(which I came from), the media praises Mahmoud Ahmadinejad for his "fair and square" victory. They also praises Iranian government handling the riot. I heard a rumor that Malaysian government put their anti-riot police at Iranian embassy because they knew there will be some protest take place. In other words Malaysian government and people wants Mahmoud Ahmadinejad win because they saw him as "hero" who can exterminate the Jews in this world, primarily in Israel. They always dreamed to see Israel's downfall.

Since I'm a Malaysian too, don't count me as one. In fact I was never in their side from beginning. Want to know what Malaysian people looks like. They are no better than Israelis and Americans which they believed their media was controlled by the Jews. Malaysian media is no better either. Just a social propaganda crap.

I never heard much from next door about the response to the elections. If a moderate Muslim country could do that, I think there is something seriously wrong with the leaders of the ideology in total.

20 years after Salem Rushdie and they are STILL not thinking about the future of their state, not even economy-wise. This is beyond stupid in terms of governance.

[Mushi]

Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

...even government ones (good examples would be how the Gaobot worm penetrated Singapore's MOE webserver...

I had to laugh...

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=82921

[SaintessHeart]

Originally Posted by Mushi

I had to laugh...

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=82921

It is an unintended pun! MOE = Ministry Of Education. It has got nothing to do with stuff looking like my nekomimi waifus.

[Mushi]

Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

It has got nothing to do with stuff looking like my nekomimi waifus.

In the midst of all the tragedy, one must give room for the absurdity of it all.

[edit]- A legal case for the murder of Neda... from Al Jazeera of all places.

[WhiteWings]

I'm just worried. Even despite all the chaos, death, protests, and so on I am not confident things would have changed enough in Iran to make that much of a difference. I've seen something explode and burn violently but eventually settle down into nothingness.

I just hope something comes out of this for people in Iran.

[Shadow Kira01]

I just hope the events that took place in Iran in the past week and even right now isn't forgotten in the United States due to the death of a pop star. People are getting killed by the moment, slashed with axes and the world is just watching it as it happens without doing anything. Somewhat pitiful..

[Sazelyt]

Originally Posted by Shadow Kira01

I just hope the events that took place in Iran in the past week and even right now isn't forgotten in the United States due to the death of a pop star. People are getting killed by the moment, slashed with axes and the world is just watching it as it happens without doing anything. Somewhat pitiful..

There is nothing you can do about it. Protests are dying, or have died. Only the people living in the big cities opposed the government, and they are easy targets to find, now that they entered into a hiding mode to protect their lives.

And with the government controlling every regular broadcast and spewing lies all day long, in a way to replace protesting against vote cheating with protesting because enemies (US, Israel, etc.) wanted them to cause troubles inside the country, it will become harder to oppose later on. Right now, their plan is to let all the protests die and then capture Mousavi as a traitor to wrap up everything.

The protesters are saying that nothing will be the same as before. But without having the power to change anything (like the brainwashed bulldogs attacking people with various weapons), this will not be a problem for the current government, and the corrupted so-called religious immorals.

[killer3000ad]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

there is not such thing as a religion of peace in monothistic religions
the only peace that such religion's can accept is when anyone NOT part of said religion is either dead or inslaved
the moment you say there is only one god, you say that everyone who DOESNT believe in him must die (basiclly)

religion is a man made product ment (originally) to try and give answers to our lack of knowing about the natural world
humans are by nature creatures that seek understanding and patterns in what we see
and we often would prefer even a bullshit answer then a no answer
hence religion
but it has since became (in the words of karl marx) "the opiate of the masses"
and the ones in charge are the dealers and pushers
there would always be conflict, but involving religion in these conflicts is a sure fire way to inflame them farther
there is no better way to prepetuate a specific conflict and make people unwilling to compremise in it then declaring the whole thing a "holy" issue



i find what you just said to be BEYOND disturbing
partly because i cant for the life of me understand WHY this is the case
what possible tie is there between the jews/israel and Malaysia ?

Ethnically, there is absolutely no relation what so ever between the Malaysian Malays and Palestinians. Religiously, well, both Muslims. And who are the Muslim Palestinians fighting against? Jews/Israel.

PS getting offtopic.

[ZephyrLeanne]

Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

It is an unintended pun! MOE = Ministry Of Education. It has got nothing to do with stuff looking like my nekomimi waifus.

The main joke of Singapore revolves around the Ministries. You think MOE's the only weird thing? Come on (having been in Singapore for like 4 years), have a look at the others.

The ministries of Singapore.

MOE - Education
MOM - Manpower
MEW(R) - Water and resources [it almost became two, which would have been MEW!]
MICA - Infocomm and Arts.

[Sister Princess]

Originally Posted by ShimatheKat

The main joke of Singapore revolves around the Ministries. You think MOE's the only weird thing? Come on (having been in Singapore for like 4 years), have a look at the others.

The ministries of Singapore.

MOE - Education
MOM - Manpower
MEW(R) - Water and resources [it almost became two, which would have been MEW!]
MICA - Infocomm and Arts.

There's also MOE in Canada as in Ministry of Environment.

[ZephyrLeanne]

Originally Posted by Sister Princess

There's also MOE in Canada as in Ministry of Environment.

Best one yet - the PUB, or public utilities board.

[Vexx]

This makes it impossible for the 'supreme leader' and his appointee president to paint the opposition as "criminals, traitors, and foreign elements".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8134904.stm

[Thingle]

ohohoho, how long will the world watch out against despots.... ?