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Well, there is the added irony in that she hasn't has any real friend since she has never deemed any prior opportunity as valid ones to go after, and this was made blatantly clear even in novel 1 when Taniguchi reflected on Haruhi. There is something magical about that act of doing homework with others for Haruhi, which is obvious. Although what has been said about exactly what is the nature of her own sense of closure out of this act is elusive.
dnab advocates that it is a rite of summer for Haruhi that she feels that it is to be upheld for a 'proper' closure to summer vacation, while TakariCritic muses that Haruhi is able to change her mindset through being reminded of the school year ahead. Of course, the concept that dnab has also touched on is that her own craving for social interactions are compounded into this loop and the subsequent breaking up by doing homework with her friends. The point I wish to raise is that it could've well been that the proper use of Haruhi's otherwise unplanned, free day is important to her, as that would've meant that the SOS Brigade did not rest at any given point of that 2 weeks. This would signal her success as a planner of nonstop activities and what a well-executed blitz through the remaining weeks of summer that would be if every loose end is tied up. I raise this point since Haruhi has always loathed indecisiveness and inactivity. She is not content about wasting any 'opportunity' that appears before her, and being the person that is tempted to seize and choke destiny by the neck, Haruhi would've found relief in that the last day is spent in a frantic pace for her entire brigade as the members prepare themselves for the vigors of what's ahead of them come September. After all, post-novel 2 Haruhi looks at her brigade as integral to her personal accomplishments.
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2009-07-13, 18:21 | Link #102 |
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Also consider that Haruhi seen to be one to follow all traditional holidays even if they are not all that observed. While she usually doesn't display traditional ideology in her activities she does seem to have some part of her that fuctions on the "this is how things are" method of reasoning. She can be perfectly polite, helpful, and traditional...she just only does it during specific instances.
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2009-07-13, 18:30 | Link #104 |
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Ironically, what Kaisos said makes the monarchist the most extreme wing of politics today... given that the norm rests not with them. Haruhi being a stanch fellow to follow traditions would make her 'unique' given that such devotion isn't the norm statistically anymore.
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2009-07-13, 20:35 | Link #105 |
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I think part of the reason why Haruhi is in some ways kind of frightening is that (if the 'tradition' or the 'don't feel accomplished' theory of homework relativity is correct') she's basically effed up the entire universe for something incredibly minor.
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2009-07-14, 00:26 | Link #109 |
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Anyways, I do think we should return to look onwards at what-ifs of novel 10 and onwards, even if, and despite the fact that there's been little movement yet to advance the story further than our break. In addition, we have much more than a chapter of recursion to consider, unlike in other threads.
I am hoping to see Haruhi meeting with Sasaki actually. I for some reason see Sasaki as Yang Wenli and Haruhi as Reinhard going into a meeting as the two discuss their fundamental differences... For me, Haruhi has this innate tendency to grab destiny instead of waiting on it and wrestle it to the ground, while Sasaki prefers to see the future unfold at its own pace. If anything, Sasaki base her viewpoint from observation while Haruhi from her own desires. What this means is that Haruhi seeks to bend the universe as she sees fit, together with those that she wants to be with, while Sasaki, although not indifferent to the issues of stagnation, think that the wrongs to a system should be self-corrected and she merely play her part in the total ecosystem. The perfect irony is also that Haruhi has no awareness of how grand her reaches are, while Sasaki has no whim to steer the course despite having the map in front of her. (this is how I look at the two anyways)
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2009-07-14, 00:56 | Link #111 |
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Possible, but things depend on if the Anti-SOS-dan will remain a fixture of the series, or if they are just a way to introduce the slider to the SOS-dan as a possible replacement for Mikuru when she leaves at the end of her third year (we assume she'll leave and be replaced by Mikuru(BIG) as a teacher.) They also loose Tsuruya at the same time plus much of the Computer Club, and a few other people who are third years now. But that shouldn't be for several more books.
If the Anti-SOS-dam remains a fixture of the series, they really can't be regular antagonists since they are suppose to be High School students (normal), as are the SOS-dan. Its not like they can have a silent war going on with Haruhi not knowing about it...especially if the goal is Kyon....can they? Kyon is the only non-opposite character, unless the slider is the anti-Kyon, but then one side would have a slider and the other would not....unless there are two sliders. One being a Kyon type and the other being the one that wants to join the SOS-dan. This means that the Anti-SOS-dan would need to gain another new member for balance (if they no longer can get Kyon), but this would be a normal human (or to be weird, a slider from Haruhi's universe that hasn't left yet. Meaning someone that can slide between universes but is native to the one Kyon's from). Weirdness happens. Yuki saves the day. (or Kyon, or Itsuki) things return to normal with the anti-SOS-dan still around to cause trouble later when they don't have their own homework to do or their own "fun" activites to plan. (The likelihood of Mikuru or Haruhi saving the day are slim to none since Mikuru just doesn't do saving and Haruhi is to remain unaware.)
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Well, the issue will then extend itself to what is to come after the era of Haruhi?
Let us imagine Haruhi talking to Sasaki: Quote:
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Hey, hey... Not so fast... I'm not quite ready to shelve the E8 discussion... ^_^
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Now think of the one thing in common between all the things Haruhi planned and Kyon's homework, that Mikuru's goldfish catching didn't have. The former two sets involved all of the SOS-dan. The latter item only involved Haruhi and Mikuru. So that makes Kyon's homework the only activity that Haruhi didn't come up with that involved everybody. Now, I'm sure the fact that it was particularly Kyon's idea didn't hurt...
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2009-07-14, 02:36 | Link #115 |
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Sigh. We're intruding on what the other threads have the liberty of looking at with endless eight. That's why I want to return to novel 10 discussion.
Kyon's groupie homework is an activity that Haruhi didn't come up with, that is true, as is with the goldfish. However, stating this would ignore the fact that Koizumi and Nagato have not contributed with an original idea, yet that's not so crucial to her eyes apparently. As such, if Haruhi's not so concerned about Koizumi and Nagato giving an idea that would concern only Haruhi and the two members, then one might say that there's not much special about the goldfish catching per se, save that this matter is voiced aloud and registered. I have statistical support for this as well. -0.0129% of all loops had no Obon, -2.82% of all loops would have Obon without Goldfish, Essentially, this 2.82% indicates that Haruhi would've not done the goldfish under some circumstances, which would either be a change of heart or through Asahina not raising the point of wanting to catch gold fish. Given Haruhi being so headstrong about carrying whatever that goes on her fish and not compromising one bit, it leaves only that Asahina raising her voice and having the activity registered in as the trigger for the goldfish event to occur. (I really, really don't want to take away from other threads on this subject anymore...)
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2009-07-14, 05:25 | Link #118 |
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The mortality of Suzumiya Haruhi strikes me alot, and I would like to see what Kyon have to say when confronted with the hypothetical issue of having this engine of change, that chugs along without referring to any individual on the direction of the universe stopping one day, and this time, there's no Disappearance scenario to fall back on.
Filling the shoes of Haruhi the giant? Foster the rebel clause and give the ability to alter the direction and generation of new information for the universe to all the sentient entities? To fall into stagnation in a post-Haruhi scene and not care about that? Why, this sounds closer to LoGH than I thought.
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Kaisos Erranon's crack theory makes a little too much sense.
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