[Game] Umineko - Spoilers, Theories, Interpretations

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Westlo

It's clearly not terrible writing Kaison since judging by yours and Golden Drugs posts it's getting the intended effect.

What? Making us want to quit playing the series?

No, I'm very serious. Is the point to absolutely destroy the narrative up until now and make us RAGEQUIT?

Because, if so, good job!

Originally Posted by Hareoic

Also, the "warlock Battler" makes the end of Episode 4 rather pointless, doesn't it? Remembering his resolve from before to go back home and such, I don't think he'd stick around any longer than he needed to.

Yeah, that too. It just seems a little far-fetched.

Spoiler for Erika:

Also from what I've heard of Erika so far... she doesn't seem very... protagonist-like?

Originally Posted by Severin

Spoiler:

Erika's not supposed to be likable. You're supposed to despise her for erasing Beato.

Spoiler for Yes, yes:

But that's not my point.

She still hijacks the entire plot, and there's no setup for her character. None.

It's like Ryukishi wanted to put Rika in so badly, he compromised his own plot to do it.

Also, if she's truly the new protagonist... yeah.

[Mikachiru]

Originally Posted by Hareoic

Also, the "warlock Battler" makes the end of Episode 4 rather pointless, doesn't it? Remembering his resolve from before to go back home and such, I don't think he'd stick around any longer than he needed to.

This is probably just me, but I don't like the idea of Warlock Battler. It defeats the purpose of Battler denying witches...

Originally Posted by Severin

Spoiler:

Erika's not supposed to be likable. You're supposed to despise her for erasing Beato.

Spoiler for nope:

Not me. I'm okay with dead Beato.

[Marion]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Spoiler for -_-:

It's not that she's dead.

It's not even who killed her.

It's the fact that Erika is a Rika Mary Sue Hijack. Everyone knows that's TERRIBLE writing.

Like, pure, utter, shit.

Agree.

Erika coming onto the island cause of a shipwreck. Fine.
Okay so she's smart too. No problem. Saying her being smart as a bad pointer would be hypocritical, considering Kyrie who went and solved "Kinzo is dead" within 10 mins of being on the island.
But after that, it just goes overboard.

Spoiler for EP 5:

She found the gold, she solved the game and blamed all deaths on Natsuhi, used red text, denies Beato's existence and basically says she'll take down Battler, going as far as to call herself a detective.

Plus her name sounds like she came from a fanfiction.

THIS is why Erika currently pisses me off and I hope half this stuff is false.

And as I said before - Ange is rolling in her grave. God Battler you're defending the person who has been playing a game and laughing about your family dying.

But d'awww Natsuhi and Krauss <3

[metronome]

Spoiler:

it will be sad for ange that has to become ....ahem... hamburger if in the end battler is the bad guy now.
you could say bern is truly evil then;D

[Sterling01]

Erika is a fucking awesome troll

[Hareoic]

No, I don't mean he's wrecked the plot. I mean he's messing with us all and making us think that's what's happened (I mean has anybody seen any of the tea parties yet or anything? They could reveal it was all a charade there)

[Sterling01]

Originally Posted by Hareoic

No, I don't mean he's wrecked the plot. I mean he's messing with us all and making us think that's what's happened (I mean has anybody seen any of the tea parties yet or anything? They could reveal it was all a charade there)

Reading the tea parties now

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Mikachiru

This is probably just me, but I don't like the idea of Warlock Battler. It defeats the purpose of Battler denying witches...

Spoiler for *headdesk*:

But now it's Rika Furude's job to deny witches! Don't you see? It all makes sense!

Originally Posted by Sterling01

Erika is a fucking awesome troll

See, this sounds more promising. Go on.

Originally Posted by Hareoic

No, I don't mean he's wrecked the plot. I mean he's messing with us all and making us think that's what's happened (I mean has anybody seen any of the tea parties yet or anything? They could reveal it was all a charade there)

The stuff I've seen seems to be from the first tea party... the second is usually where the loltroll happens, so, yeah.

Spoiler for theory:

I'd love it if the whole thing was just another Beato troll to make Battler accept witches... by becoming one himself.

I'd accept that now, at this point.

Originally Posted by Sterling01

Reading the tea parties now

You beat the game that fast!?

[Marion]

Originally Posted by Sterling01

Erika is a fucking awesome troll

Usually trolls don't piss me off.

But fuck Erika pisses me off, so she must be an amazing troll.

[Kamar]

Spoiler for OK, lets continue!:

Natsuhi suddenly looks downcast. She says something along the lines of "but that was the story of a new married couple". Its not like that now; they're trapped on Rokkenjima like caged birds. Beatrice says she is the same, but not to worry about it, since you can still be happy. I think. MAybe. Her wording was weird. Natsuhi thanks her, anyways.

Beatrice praises how she conducted the servants and such during the family council, to keep up the illusion of Kinzo's life. They talk about it some, how it was like a complex magical formation... then there's a weird line, that might be worth understanding better, I think, maybe?


Beatrice then jokes about Kumasawa being an apprentice witch of faking sickness.

Meta-world frame appears.

[Sterling01]

Remember this pic?

Spoiler for Ep 5:

Spoiler for I suggest you wait:

Battler is the one who's saying it

[Mikachiru]

Originally Posted by Marion

Usually trolls don't piss me off.

But fuck Erika pisses me off, so she must be an amazing troll.

I'm amazed at all this hate towards Erika. I remember when her portrait was released, everyone loved her (except me).XD

[Used Can]

I don't see why people complain so much. It isn't as if we haven't seen characters pop out of nowhere before in this story.

Originally Posted by Severin

Spoiler:

Erika's not supposed to be likable. You're supposed to despise her for erasing Beato.

Not really. I love Beato, and I like Erika.

[Mikachiru]

Originally Posted by Used Can

I don't see why people complain so much. It isn't as if we haven't seen characters pop out of nowhere before in this story.

From what I can tell, Erika is stealing the show and it makes people sad.

[Used Can]

Originally Posted by Mikachiru

From what I can tell, Erika is stealing the show and it makes people sad.

Didn't Ange did something very similar in EP4?

[TsundereCake]

Spoiler:

So..... if Beato dies ;_;, then what of the Battler-Beato reaching for each others hands and Battler-Beatrice-Virgilia in the flower field from the OP?

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Used Can

Didn't Ange did something very similar in EP4?

Ange had setup the previous episode, and Battler has mentioned her on and off.

[Kitsu]

Spoiler for Sterling's post:

Woah...T_T Goodbye Beato...but how does it go on!!! I mean そして !!

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Sterling01

Remember this pic?

Spoiler for Ep 5:

Spoiler for I suggest you wait:

Battler is the one who's saying it

Ooooooh shit.

Sterling, you better tell us how it ends...

[June 1983]

This conversation is starting to go in circles. Look guys, if you find yourself typing a post and thinking, "Didn't I just post/read this a few pages ago?" that's usually a hint that you should stop. Nobody's reading this thread to learn about your indignation. They're reading it to get SPOILERS. Surprise~