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Gin · 2009-09-08, 13:39

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Originally Posted by That Other Ninja

Oh... and not the cornrows? Damn!

The corn-rows are a subtle hint that he will start rapping soon.

Phenomenal · 2009-09-08, 13:49

So, like I've told many before it was obvious that Saskue had Susano'o as well [Although it is incomplete]! Like I said before, Amateratsu can be dodged and easily dodged by Raikage with enough speed! Not even the Sharingan can follow Raikage's movements!

Raikage for the win!!

darkmaster074 · 2009-09-08, 13:58

Spoiler for Naruto 463 Spoiler:

james0246 · 2009-09-08, 13:58

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Originally Posted by Hunter

I don't care much about Susanoo, I find MS jutsu powerful but rather boring. In the other hand Sasuke shaping the flame of Amaterasu as an armor is more interesting.

Well that spoiler hadn't come out when I originally posted

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Now that it has, though, holy cow, that is cool. Finally a new use for this technique, something we have never seen before: Flame Armor. Pretty cool.

That being said, how did the other kumo-nin know how proficient Itachi was with the technique? While Itachi undoubtedly had to use Amaterasu during his missing-nin days (otherwise how would his eyes have deteriorated so far), how did knowledge of the technique spread to Kumo of all places, but not Konoha?

Additionally, the fact that Sasuke is having so much problem with Susanoo might be because he hasn't been shown to fully use Tsukuyomi yet. Or, at least, that is my prediction. Also, it is nice to know that Susanoo can defend without the magic mirror thingie.

DeDe · 2009-09-08, 14:22

Here is a better translation of the summary.

Spoiler for 463:

Sazelyt · 2009-09-08, 14:24

I am wondering if that means Kishi is contradicting himself with the MS jutsu transferred to Sasuke. If what Itachi used was a solely Amaterasu transferring jutsu, then it is a real mystery, how Susanoo was able to show itself here. And if that is the case, then the jutsu transfer seems to be a package only option. Either transfer all, or no transfer at all, kind of...

And, if Raikage did indeed jump there, that may be the turning point for the fight.

Hunter · 2009-09-08, 14:28

Not really, from the last Databook Susanoo is meant to awaken once Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu are mastered hence why many theorized Sasuke woud soon be able to use Susanoo after his fight with Bee.

Sazelyt · 2009-09-08, 14:44

I didn't see that. I just checked, and it may be as what you said. But, I don't know if it is a given (like it appears itself) or is it something that you need to awaken (kind of like how Kakashi found his ability).

Anyways, that means, what Sasuke used earlier on one of Raikage's men may actually be Tsukuyomi (I am not sure whether he used that before, I considered the previous abilities he displayed with MS to be something different from Tsukuyomi, kind of like a genjutsu with MS).

(Also with this new info for me, I start to think that Itachi's goal may be different than what was initially shown and told. Sasuke gaining Amaterasu may also mean transferring Susanoo to him. And I guess if Sasuke gets Itachi's eyes later on, he may also be able to use the artifacts that were attached to Itachi's Susanoo.)

james0246 · 2009-09-08, 14:52

^Itachi specifically used a technique known as Tensha Fuuin: Amaterasu to seal a Amaterasu in Sasuke's eye. So, we already know how (and also why) a Amaterasu was sealed. Added to that, the technique only produces an effect under specific circumstances and stimuli, and the seal shown is Itachi MS design. So, if Itachi did seal any other techniques (etc) into Sasuke it was not by any means we currently know, and most probably did not even occur to begin with.

This discussion is best left in another thread, though, one that has already debated this point ad infinitum.

That Other Ninja · 2009-09-08, 14:55

Furious backhand chop! I loveit.

I can see it now... Raikage's secret jutsu.. LUCHADOR MASK! bwahahahahaha WTF is going on lol

james0246 · 2009-09-08, 14:58

^Kishimoto obviously started reading Kinnikuman again recently, Or at least Michinoku Pro Wrestling (which, coincidentally was founded by the Great Sasuke).

AuroraFlash · 2009-09-08, 15:08

Impressive spoiler

Though we were supposed to know so, I'm absolutely amazed and surprised by Raikage's powers. He had to be strong, but I didn't think that he'd be that strong. He seems to be amazingly strong, maybe stronger than anything we've seen so far (concerning power of course!)

Luminion Lancer · 2009-09-08, 15:12

-Phew, finally back from my trip to Peru. I tell ya, 2 weeks without internet connectivity is a real pain for an internet junkie like myself

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-Anyway, from what the spoilers suggest, it seems like Kishimoto is finally done with making Sasuke appear God-like against every enemy he faces. Sure, I don't expect him to lose this fight but at least now I can stomach his victories. Frankly, if he was having an easy time against a kage-level opponent I would have immediately called "shenannings". I suppose this means the manga is returning to form (or at least creating some sort of constant) in its fights. I mean, even the Pain vs. Naruto fight wasn't all that one-sided. Sure, we knew Naruto was set to win but throughout the fight I had no clue how he was going to do it. That being said, I love the Raikage right now. I knew that golden belt was more than just a simple decoration he had on him.

That Other Ninja · 2009-09-08, 15:27

I dunno, if that chidori wasn't able to penetrate, he had better pull something out of his ass quick to do some real damage.

james0246 · 2009-09-08, 15:32

^Time to Kirin the whole damn country, so kill 'em all

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That Other Ninja · 2009-09-08, 15:36

^Yeah, advanced Kirin v2.0, fire + fart for extra thunder clouds. That's pulling something out of his ass forsure.

Sazelyt · 2009-09-08, 16:07

I wonder why Sasuke didn't use what Itachi used against him. Katon jutsu and converting the fire to the black fire with Amaterasu. Considering the range of his katon jutsu, it may be difficult even for Raikage to escape that completely, and with Amaterasu flavor added on it, he cannot charge through it either.

Anyway, I think Sasuke hasn't mastered the MS techniques he has, and he is currently suffering for that (and, the exaggeration of the bleeding from Sasuke's eye(s) might be readying us for an eye transplant in the near future). But, as usual, the longer Sasuke survives a battle, the higher the chance for him to increase the effectiveness of his jutsus. Especially against an opponent that uses techniques based on his most effective elemental ability.

And about the Kirin. With all the lightning Raikage generates on his body, that may be sufficient for Sasuke to direct his own lightning through Raikage, in a way to use Raikage's own lightning against him. But, I highly doubt Kishi is capable of creating such a scenario without any holes in it.

Viron · 2009-09-08, 16:14

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Originally Posted by DeDe

Sasuke goes flying and is on the ground when Raikage tells him that this is the end and then leaps into the air…

I have the feeling that Madara will get Sasuke out there right before the Raikage smashs him with his landing.
That's the best reason I can think of, why Madara would leave his conversation so suddenly.

Freya · 2009-09-08, 16:25

I think you guys are all forgetting that Raikage was able to fight on par with Killerbee in his beast form. Considering that Sasuke literally got owned by Killerbee...I'd say Sasukes going to have a hard time.

Sasuke doesn't have Itachi's h4x skills.

~~Tsuyoshi~~ · 2009-09-08, 17:04

I'm wondering why Sasuke doesn't just cast any ol Sharingan Genjutsu on Raikage. Sure, it probably wouldn't have given him the time to counter, but I'm pretty sure it would've given him time to escape. Instead, Sasuke relies on the very best thing he has, the very thing which drains him of chakra extremely fast. Sasuke could've done that pretty easily imho.

2009-09-08, 13:58	Link #23
darkmaster074 ------ Join Date: Jul 2009 Age: 35	Spoiler for Naruto 463 Spoiler: The shidori breaks the erodou( the belt that the raikage wears) and the rest of the shidori penetrates the belly of the raikage(it does not seem to be a deep cut) Raikage: To wound me?! you have the same jutsu then Kakashi!!! The raikage takes Sasuke and turns him over and says to him that this is the end, he will fall victim to the “raiga bomb!!” Sasuke falls to the ground but seems like he was protected by susanoo’s bones. (looks like Itashi gave him more then he expected) Sasuke seems to think for the first time about his retreat… His eyes are in MS There’s a weird part where the raikage seems to be giving Sasuke some chakra so they can continue the fight?!?( not sure what this meant) Karin: What is this chakra?! its the chakra of a Bijuu?!( again not sure about that comment) Scene changes to Naruto, Madara: I wonder if you are gonna try to change Sasuke’s mind like you did for Nagato… Kakashi: Why did you capture all those bijuu’s? and what is the link in between the bijuu’s and the curse of hatred of the uchiha?! Madara: I just want them all in the end, that’s it! Madara” It was fun talking to all of you, now if you would excuse me… Madara vanishes from the scene with the help of his time space jutsu. The scene cuts to Sasuke again Sasuke uses amaterasu and thanks to the jutsu, he his able to get out of the Raikages assaults. the fight continues Darui: The raikage is using is left arm!! the raikage is about to end the fight, sasuke is down for the count and the chapter ends with the raikage in the air and preparing his finishing move Since it looks like a WWE match, we might assist to the clothsline next week

2009-09-08, 14:22	Link #25
DeDe Ino-Shika-Cho Join Date: Jan 2007	Here is a better translation of the summary. Spoiler for 463: Credit: Pocketmofo タイトル　サスケＶＳ雷影 Title – “Sasuke vs. Raikage” 雷影のエロボーをかわす千鳥を雷影の胸に突き刺すが第二間接部分までしか刺さらず　クソッ!! Sasuke dodges Raikage’s elbow and stabs him with the chidori…but his fingers only make it part of the way into Raikage (his fingers only get to about the second joint in)…Sasuke – Dammit!! 雷影　雷遁をまとったこのワシに傷をつけるとはその術ははたけカカシと同じものだな･･･ Raikage – To think you were able to wound me when I have this Raiton chakra covering me. That technique must be the same as Hatake Kakashi’s… 雷影サスケをつかみくるっと反転させ　これで終わりだ！！と雷我爆弾！！（ライガーボム）（すさまじい威力を見せたいのか２ページ強にわたってボム） Raikage then seems to grab Sasuke, turn him upside down and say, “This is the end!! Raiga Bomb!!” (The spoiler writer comments that this technique takes up over 2 pages, possibly because Kishimoto wants to show just how powerful it is) ----Translator comment: I think the Raiga Bomb is supposed to be a wrestling move similar to a Power Bomb where you pick your opponent up and slam him body/head first into the ground 地面に叩き付けられたサスケの背中には以前イタチが出したスサノオウの骨の様なものがサスケを保護しサスケ窮地を脱出 As Sasuke gets slammed to the ground the bones from what looks like Susanoo (the technique Itachi used) protect Sasuke from the fall, helping Sasuke to get out of his predicament サスケの目が万華になってるのに気づきその場を離れさらにチャクラをあげる雷影 Raikage, noticing that Sasuke’s eyes are now Mangekyou Sharingan withdraws and raises his Chakra levels even more カリン　なんてチャクラなの･･･これは尾獣並のチャクラ＞＜ Karin – What chakra…this is a bijuu amount of chakra. サスケの周りには骨の様な物体がさまよい　目から大量の血を流し　天照！ The bone-like shape is drifting around Sasuke. Then a large amount of blood comes from Sasuke’s eyes as he uses Amaterasu! 場面はナルトへ Scene changes to Naruto マダラとの会話　長門と同じ様にサスケを説得させるかどうかサスケには無駄～ Continuing the conversation with Madara. Madara says that Naruto won’t be able to talk sense into Sasuke the same way he did Nagato. 忘れたｗ Spoiler writer seems to have forgotten part of the conversation カカシ　　　うちはの復讐に尾獣を集めてるのはなぜなんだ？ Kakashi – Why are you collecting the bijuu in order to exact your revenge as an Uchiha? マダラ　　　簡単にいうと　完全体　になるためだ Madara – To put it simply, in order to be complete (in order to reach my/it/something’s complete form). お前らとの話は楽しかった～　っと時空間忍術みたいなのでマダラは去る Madara then disappears using his space/time ninjutsu saying, “It was fun chatting with you guys~” サスケへ Scene goes back to Sasuke 天照を放つも雷影の瞬身の術以上の動きで簡単に避けられ写輪眼ではとらえられないサスケとりあえず防御作にでる　スサノオウの不完全版の骨を身体の周りにバリア状にしその骨に天照で攻撃できない状態を作るが Sasuke attacks Raikage with Amaterasu, but is easily avoided by Raikage, moving with speeds higher than the shunshin no jutsu. Sasuke, not even being able to keep up with the Raikage with his Sharingan, goes on the defensive. Sasuke uses the bones of the incomplete Susanou to act as a barrier around him, though it seems as though he cannot attack through the bones with Amaterasu… 憤怒の一撃　逆水平チョップ Then Raikage hits Sasuke with a furious Backhand Chop ダルイ　　左腕をくれてやるとは雷影様！！ Darui – Way to give it to him with your left arm, Raikage-sama!! (Could imply that Raikage is not messing around when he hits with his left arm) おもいっきり吹っ飛ばされダウンするサスケに雷影が　止めだ！！　とジャンプした所で　 Sasuke goes flying and is on the ground when Raikage tells him that this is the end and then leaps into the air… 完です　来週はギロチンドロップですかね･･･ That’s all for this week. The spoiler writer then wonders if next week will start with the guillotine chop (another wrestling move). Second Spoiler Note -- 後シーが言っていたが　黒炎をあそこまで操る（鎧状にまとう）能力はイタチ以上か！？といってました。 *Also, C(I thought he was knocked out) makes a comment about whether Sasuke is above Itachi in skill as he is able to control the black flames so well (including wrapping them around him like armor). __________________

2009-09-08, 14:55	Link #30
That Other Ninja That Other Senior Member Artist Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Michael Dudikoff's American Ninja Dojo Age: 40	Furious backhand chop! I loveit. I can see it now... Raikage's secret jutsu.. LUCHADOR MASK! bwahahahahaha WTF is going on lol __________________

2009-09-08, 15:08	Link #32
AuroraFlash good-natured spirit Graphic Designer Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Dancing with the devil	Impressive spoiler Though we were supposed to know so, I'm absolutely amazed and surprised by Raikage's powers. He had to be strong, but I didn't think that he'd be that strong. He seems to be amazingly strong, maybe stronger than anything we've seen so far (concerning power of course!) __________________

2009-09-08, 15:12	Link #33
Luminion Lancer Time-diver Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Location is all relative.	... -Phew, finally back from my trip to Peru. I tell ya, 2 weeks without internet connectivity is a real pain for an internet junkie like myself . -Anyway, from what the spoilers suggest, it seems like Kishimoto is finally done with making Sasuke appear God-like against every enemy he faces. Sure, I don't expect him to lose this fight but at least now I can stomach his victories. Frankly, if he was having an easy time against a kage-level opponent I would have immediately called "shenannings". I suppose this means the manga is returning to form (or at least creating some sort of constant) in its fights. I mean, even the Pain vs. Naruto fight wasn't all that one-sided. Sure, we knew Naruto was set to win but throughout the fight I had no clue how he was going to do it. That being said, I love the Raikage right now. I knew that golden belt was more than just a simple decoration he had on him. __________________ -When all else fails, ram them with a force of an 18-wheeler.

2009-09-08, 13:49	Link #22
Phenomenal Banned Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Los Angeles	So, like I've told many before it was obvious that Saskue had Susano'o as well [Although it is incomplete]! Like I said before, Amateratsu can be dodged and easily dodged by Raikage with enough speed! Not even the Sharingan can follow Raikage's movements! Raikage for the win!!

2009-09-08, 14:24	Link #26
Sazelyt Μ ε r c ü r υ Join Date: Jun 2004	I am wondering if that means Kishi is contradicting himself with the MS jutsu transferred to Sasuke. If what Itachi used was a solely Amaterasu transferring jutsu, then it is a real mystery, how Susanoo was able to show itself here. And if that is the case, then the jutsu transfer seems to be a package only option. Either transfer all, or no transfer at all, kind of... And, if Raikage did indeed jump there, that may be the turning point for the fight.

2009-09-08, 14:28	Link #27
Hunter Bubbly and super fun Join Date: May 2003 Location: Doesn't look like Kansas	Not really, from the last Databook Susanoo is meant to awaken once Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu are mastered hence why many theorized Sasuke woud soon be able to use Susanoo after his fight with Bee.

2009-09-08, 14:44	Link #28
Sazelyt Μ ε r c ü r υ Join Date: Jun 2004	I didn't see that. I just checked, and it may be as what you said. But, I don't know if it is a given (like it appears itself) or is it something that you need to awaken (kind of like how Kakashi found his ability). Anyways, that means, what Sasuke used earlier on one of Raikage's men may actually be Tsukuyomi (I am not sure whether he used that before, I considered the previous abilities he displayed with MS to be something different from Tsukuyomi, kind of like a genjutsu with MS). (Also with this new info for me, I start to think that Itachi's goal may be different than what was initially shown and told. Sasuke gaining Amaterasu may also mean transferring Susanoo to him. And I guess if Sasuke gets Itachi's eyes later on, he may also be able to use the artifacts that were attached to Itachi's Susanoo.)

2009-09-08, 14:52	Link #29
james0246 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: East Cupcake	^Itachi specifically used a technique known as Tensha Fuuin: Amaterasu to seal a Amaterasu in Sasuke's eye. So, we already know how (and also why) a Amaterasu was sealed. Added to that, the technique only produces an effect under specific circumstances and stimuli, and the seal shown is Itachi MS design. So, if Itachi did seal any other techniques (etc) into Sasuke it was not by any means we currently know, and most probably did not even occur to begin with. This discussion is best left in another thread, though, one that has already debated this point ad infinitum.

2009-09-08, 14:58	Link #31
james0246 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: East Cupcake	^Kishimoto obviously started reading Kinnikuman again recently, Or at least Michinoku Pro Wrestling (which, coincidentally was founded by the Great Sasuke).

2009-09-08, 15:27	Link #34
That Other Ninja That Other Senior Member Artist Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Michael Dudikoff's American Ninja Dojo Age: 40	I dunno, if that chidori wasn't able to penetrate, he had better pull something out of his ass quick to do some real damage. __________________

2009-09-08, 15:32	Link #35
james0246 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: East Cupcake	^Time to Kirin the whole damn country, so kill 'em all .

2009-09-08, 15:36	Link #36
That Other Ninja That Other Senior Member Artist Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Michael Dudikoff's American Ninja Dojo Age: 40	^Yeah, advanced Kirin v2.0, fire + fart for extra thunder clouds. That's pulling something out of his ass forsure. __________________

2009-09-08, 16:07	Link #37
Sazelyt Μ ε r c ü r υ Join Date: Jun 2004	I wonder why Sasuke didn't use what Itachi used against him. Katon jutsu and converting the fire to the black fire with Amaterasu. Considering the range of his katon jutsu, it may be difficult even for Raikage to escape that completely, and with Amaterasu flavor added on it, he cannot charge through it either. Anyway, I think Sasuke hasn't mastered the MS techniques he has, and he is currently suffering for that (and, the exaggeration of the bleeding from Sasuke's eye(s) might be readying us for an eye transplant in the near future). But, as usual, the longer Sasuke survives a battle, the higher the chance for him to increase the effectiveness of his jutsus. Especially against an opponent that uses techniques based on his most effective elemental ability. And about the Kirin. With all the lightning Raikage generates on his body, that may be sufficient for Sasuke to direct his own lightning through Raikage, in a way to use Raikage's own lightning against him. But, I highly doubt Kishi is capable of creating such a scenario without any holes in it.

2009-09-08, 16:25	Link #39
Freya Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Yokosuka, Japan	I think you guys are all forgetting that Raikage was able to fight on par with Killerbee in his beast form. Considering that Sasuke literally got owned by Killerbee...I'd say Sasukes going to have a hard time. Sasuke doesn't have Itachi's h4x skills. __________________

2009-09-08, 17:04	Link #40
~~Tsuyoshi~~ Disabled By Request Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The Great Justice	I'm wondering why Sasuke doesn't just cast any ol Sharingan Genjutsu on Raikage. Sure, it probably wouldn't have given him the time to counter, but I'm pretty sure it would've given him time to escape. Instead, Sasuke relies on the very best thing he has, the very thing which drains him of chakra extremely fast. Sasuke could've done that pretty easily imho.