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View Poll Results: Umineko no Naku Koro ni - Episode 11 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 37 | 20.67% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 47 | 26.26% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 41 | 22.91% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 27 | 15.08% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 18 | 10.06% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 3 | 1.68% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 2 | 1.12% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 2 | 1.12% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 2 | 1.12% | |
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2009-09-10, 20:50 | Link #221 |
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Wow the pacing and animation couldn't have been worse. I guess one extra episode is just way too much for the studio.
A couple of hilarity in this ep. The room where Rosa, Battler, and Maria were in supposed to be barricaded with stack of furnitures but they completely disappear in this ep with zero explanation. Also Genji's supposed to be the most loyal to the Ushiromiya but his character completely changed in this ep. Not to mention Battler's last comment about being inspired by Rosa's perseverance, when she just acknowledged Beatrice right at that very moment. Anyways hopefully second season will have more budget. |
2009-09-10, 22:00 | Link #223 |
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You did more than enough in mentioning that it's by hitomi04. A quick trip to youtube is all it took for me.
*edit How interesting. I don't know whether the anime banquet or the VN banquet disturbed me more. One was more visual, but the other had those descriptions and such.
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2009-09-10, 22:47 | Link #224 | |
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2009-09-10, 22:52 | Link #225 | ||
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As for fine arts, it does have to do with that. After drawing models after models upon models of people. You get a better understanding of the body, shading, and so forth. I can see lacking of this. Again don't want to start flame wars, just my opinion. Though I commend you on going to great lengths to encourage those to play the game. Rest assured I will play it someday ^-^ Quote:
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2009-09-10, 22:56 | Link #227 |
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Eh. The episode was so-so..but..
WIN ON THE TEN YEARS TO EARLY FOR EATING MARIA LINE!<3 EDIT: I really DO NOT like Lambda's voice. at all. I honestly hear Mika Kanai 's voice everytime I look at Lambda and I'm kinda heart broken they went with Fuyuka Ōura :/ Last edited by HaizuUsa; 2009-09-10 at 23:01. Reason: watched the end of ep P: |
2009-09-10, 23:27 | Link #230 | |
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And about Battler, he's not inspired by Rosa's perseverance. He got angry and returned to fight after seeing Rosa's bullied by Beatrice.
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2009-09-10, 23:48 | Link #231 | |
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Battler was probably talking about Rosa Musou and how she was willing to give up everything to save Maria in the end. In other words, what happened before that Tea Party scene. In the game, there's also a more convincing reason, but that got left out of the Ura Tea Party here. ......However, the thing about barricade magically disappearing is a clear anime slip up. Not impossible or even unbelievable, but sloppy...unless it's a well hidden clue (you never know with Ryuukishi).
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2009-09-10, 23:59 | Link #232 |
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Mildly worrisome question--after (meta?)-Battler tells off Beatrice at the end, what happened to Rosa and Maria('s head)? (Chess explanation: "They went back in the box for the next game.")
On that note, it seems like Meta-Battler and regular Battler kind of merged there for a bit, if I understand what happened correctly. |
2009-09-11, 00:06 | Link #233 |
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If Genji treats Beatrice as the family head, he shouldn't throw knife on the golden butterfly, shouldn't press the spider web on "Kanon" to destroy Beatrice's magic, instead should be respecting and submitting to them as a servant should.
It's nice for Rosa to fight the goats and all but still at the end she submit to Beatrice and crying. I personally don't find this as perseverance, if anything it just shows that Rosa got great fighting skills. |
2009-09-11, 00:37 | Link #235 |
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Agreed that this episode is poor. Quite weird that buttle decide to fight on without much plot explaining why he decided to do so.
I don't understand the logic, why buttle is still trying to deny the witch existence. I will be freaked out seeing maria head alive.. |
2009-09-11, 00:46 | Link #236 | |
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For example, maybe the Beatrice at the end is not the "Beatrice" behind the spider's web and the fake Kanon. Or else, maybe there's no need for Genji to obey Beatrice until her resurrection ceremony is complete (which is the time he switches over). Or, it could be that either the final scene or the previous scenes have a lie in them, either because "Genji" was a fake in one of them, or because the entire scene is somehow bogus. Or, you could argue that Genji is an opportunist and only switched to Beatrice's side after it's clear she's won (if you believe in anti-fantasy). So yeah, I think I've made my point It's literally impossible for you to make the argument that his behavior is out of character until we've seen the end of the series. While finding errors in the anime isn't so hard, you'd better have a hell of an argument before trying to find an error in the VN, with a few exceptions. That's what Ryuukishi's best at. Also, if you think not giving up when dozens of goat monsters are chasing you isn't perseverance, I don't know what is. It's not like Rosa had any chance of beating them all. It sounds like you define "perseverance" as not giving up no matter what happens to you, even after being forced to eat your siblings and seeing your daughter like that. Come on, seriously?
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2009-09-11, 01:14 | Link #237 | |
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Secondly, so what makes her perseverance special if anybody would give up in that situation anyway? |
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2009-09-11, 01:14 | Link #238 |
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Damn. And you know I had been waiting up until that very moment. It was my favorite scene in episode 2. So badass. Well, atleast they kept Battler's lines from the VN.
Also, Rosa's fight scene with the goats at the end was a lot more intense in the VN. So was the .. tea party after that. He assumes you're talking about the VN because you're complaining about things like pacing and the budget, which would only be a problem to those that are comparing it to the VN. |
2009-09-11, 01:34 | Link #239 | ||
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Pretty pointless to call something a 'hilarious' inconsistency if you don't even fully understand the story here. The entire point of this series is figuring out why apparent contradictions actually make sense. If you're unwilling to do that, then you won't enjoy the best parts of the series. Let me be clear, since additional information from the VN shows that this is true: there is an intended reason for Genji's switch in behavior, one that the author thought of before writing this game and which he intended to use as an indirect clue for the readers. Quote:
If you think Rosa's actions there are "ordinary" or "less than extremely brave", then I'm afraid you've been watching way too much Shounen anime
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2009-09-11, 01:40 | Link #240 |
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I don't see how this would 'only' be a problem to those comparing it to VN. Things just happen so quickly one after the other. Things like why Genji is outside to find the corpses. How did Rosa claim that Battler puts the letter when they all just enter the room. I think you don't need the VN to find this ep to be quite rushed. And by budget I also mean the animation which I think doesn't even apply in the VN.
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