2009-09-16, 06:12 | Link #5542 |
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Those guys had stolen Sutherlands and tried to pass as Britannians to trick her forces. Killing them was perfectly logical, what if "surrendering" was just another one of their tricks to kill more of her men?
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2009-09-16, 06:21 | Link #5543 | |
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In fact, if I remember correctly, those guys weren't even dedicated terrorists. They just didn't want to end like the people in Shinjuku, so they went along with Lelouch's plan. Cornelia recreated the circumstances under which Clovis died, which meant killing people - innocents and terrorists alike, but mostly innocents - for no other reason than to lure out Zero. Sure, it's a useful plan to get rid of resistance movements, and I agree she didn't do it for the fun of killing defenceless people. However, I still think it's very much immoral, since the system she believes in is one that could hardly be less compatible with my understanding of morality. She had her reasons, but everyone has those. They make her human, not moral.
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2009-09-16, 19:22 | Link #5545 |
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...by supposedly not turning them in when they could have. It was a half-assed justification for their massacre, nothing more. So much as look at a terrorists and the Britannians will probably consider it aiding and abetting.
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2009-09-16, 19:43 | Link #5547 |
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what would the civilains do if they didnt agree to having terrorists there ?
ask them politely to leave ? try to force them out ? tell the britannians "please come into the ghetto and turn our home into a warzone" ?
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2009-09-16, 19:50 | Link #5549 |
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there is no justification for what the britannian military does in saitama you have very clear shots of britannian soldeirs shooting women and children in cold blood, firing squad style you cant excuse that with "they didnt report the presence of terrorists" its cold blooded mass murder of civilians lets be honest here it was nothing more then an excuse for the bait to lure zero out because thats just how britannia rolls
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2009-09-17, 00:20 | Link #5550 | |
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The Student Council were given strict instructions to stay put but decided to play hero. Tamaki was disobeying orders in regards to how to deal with them, but his response is perfectly understandable. They're trouble-makers and trouble-makers tend to get dealt with harshly in the middle of a war. As for Suzaku, Lelouch implicitly authorized his death by telling them to do whatever they wanted with the pilot (or something to that effect, at the very least he does not express the slightest bit of concern over Suzaku's survival).
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a willingness to massacre people left and right is a present factor throughout the season the terrorist groups are individual orgenazitions with different standards and methods to each britannia is a single body with a general standard of being willing to massacre people at a drop of a hat shinjiku, saitama, the SAZ, babel tower, the second SAZ throughout its portrayal, britannia seems to go in guns blazing and gun down everyone in the area without any concern for human life during the SAZ case, there wasnt even a threat to silence the whole thing was suppose to be a peaceful ceremony and the stadium was filled with women and children and yet, the moment euphie gives the orders, they go to work with a smile on their faces even suzaku almost gets gunned down because he is japanese and during the second SAZ thing, they are willing to gun down a million people its only suzaku who prevents another massacre you cant compare that to the actions you named below, carried by individuals, rather then entire orgenizations and mostly against orders the terrorists were wrong at times but its not even close to the horrors that britannia carries out its not even in the same area code Quote:
of which the JLF (and toudo praticularly) was angry with because its not their way he teams up with zero two eps later without reservations over the fact that zero killed his "allies" Quote:
i'll remaind you that its something you hear on the britannian controlled media its not only possible that the media wasnt telling the whole story of what happened there (the reason why 59 elevents died as well in a "terrorist attack" supposedly aimed at britannians) its practically guaranteed Quote:
there is no hint that any of the other students were harmed or mistreated during the entire event, which lasted a few hours
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Nobody that goes to war can claim any sort of moral high ground. The terrorists and Britannia both had innocent blood in their hands. I don't care if Britannia killed more, the terrorists provoked it and risked the lives of their people, all because they refused to even try to join the system and try to change from within. Most of them didn't even give it a shot, they'd rather fight and lose thousands of people. Their ego's wouldn't allow them to become honorary Britannians...
I mean, Japan instigated the war and then lost. They needed to get over themselves and try to do the best they could with what they had at hand. Terrorism wouldn't gain them any sympathizers whereas becoming honoary members and contributing would slowly but surely gain them Britannia's trust and more doors would open to them. Going by the logic used here Dr. MLK Jr should've started his own terrorist organization and waged a war to free all African Americans...
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Except you're dealing with an occupied territory, not just a matter of unequal rights, and the systems are inherently different. You generalize far too much.
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2009-09-17, 16:23 | Link #5556 | |
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Lelouch said so himself
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