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2009-09-26, 16:49 | Link #64 | |
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The most important things for a leader..... it would be charisma and a objective. By charisma i mean having top notch acting skills and the ability to control the masses. And while everyone is following him/her, there must be something he/she should follow.
I dont think being good or bad, selfish or selfless, benevolent or ruthless has anything to do with leadership.... those are behaviours that can be found in anyone. A leader is someone above those prexisting morals and rules... he/she should be the one that gives meaning to those words. Being able to command or give orders to a group of ppl (no matter how many) doesnt make a leader.... he/she becomes the leader only when those orders arent needed to move those ppl. These things might sound a bit exagerated but it is something that happens everywhere in our daily lifes. A family, at work, between friends, etc. Quote:
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Didn't read the other posts, but to be a leader, means to be able to move people, to make them follow you, how you do that, is up to you.
You can either lead with charisma and personality, or with force and dread. a good leader looks after the people who follow him, as without people, a leader is meaningless. It's also vital to be able to hold up order, as in resolve disputes between other people. Understanding is another trait which would be required, but not necessary. He is a person who can be relied upon, people can place their hopes and trust in him.
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A leader chained but his followers is nothing else but a puppet. Now im not saying that there cant be nice/selfless leader but those are just impressions he/she wants you to have.... they are not standards set for a leader but made by the leader himself/herself. To a slave (in another era...) a benevolent master could have been the one that picked him up from the street and gives him a meal and a bed to sleep but if someone kidnaps you and gives you the same meal and bed you would hate him. The things done everyday by both the kidnaper and the nice master are the same.... then why one is being loved and the other hated? That is because a meal and a bed is all the slave could expect to get. But who was the one that decided and set those "expectations"? The same master that took the slave in.... An example could be Grifith in Berserk.... he portraits the ultimate "good leader" with all the characteristics mentioned before but ironically beneath that benevolent leader everything is the opposite. You can clearly see that saving all those ppl had nothing to do with his own objective but just an "act" in order to achive it. He created a new set of rules, morals and redifined good and evil while still being worshiped his followers. Then is he a good leader even though he himself is a demon that sacrificed every single man of his army? If you ask that question to any of his current followers they would say yes. Another exaple, since this is an anime forum, would be the world the ppl live in Claymore. Claymore is the organization that can save the ppl from the youma but at the same time they are the ones that created the monsters. To the ppl in that little aisolated world, the good guy is Claymore.
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Order is quite important, yes, but I believe how you achieve that order is what's even more important. There's a difference between being a leader and being a good leader. A tyrant can be a leader, but he is a leader nonetheless. The same can be said for an idiot or someone irresponsible. But a good leader is one who knows his people, their needs and interests and one who can establish a bond of trust between himself and his people. The best way to do that is by showing a keen interest in them, an interest in what they can offer and what he can offer them in exchange.
A good leader must liase between different parts of his nation's population. By showing interest in his people and being an intermediary who can establish contact with other memebers of the nation, he will be better able to allocate the resources and specialties his people can offer to him and to everyone else in the nation. So by first establishing trust, understanding and respect, he can establish order. Order comes through respect. Through order, the population can progress and grow. Imho, the list should be more like this. 1. Respect 2. Understanding 3. Order 4. Progress 5. Model 6. Consistency So it is true that order is important, but without understanding one another, that order can be broken. If there are people who disagree with another's ideals or beliefs, he can interfere with the order created between him and other people, and it will break. That is why the first priority must be understanding one another and respecting their beliefs and ideals. |
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For example, as a politician, would you sacrifice being called "Corrupt" or "Dirty", for the sake of the *greater* reason which is Order and Progress? I believe that, in reality, there would be situations such as those. For a Leader, what reason is there Respect and Understanding? Is it not for Order and Progress? I understand that Respect and Understanding promotes, on the long run, Order and Progress, but which is really more important, as a leader? Aren't Progress and Order the main reasons why there *are* leaders? Being Leader requires *that* mentality of inevitable *sacrifice*. |
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Newton's law of every action leading to an equal and opposite reaction does not only apply to physics, but to life in general. If people are forced into a state of order, are forced to carry out certain duties against their will, will inevitably give rise to those people who, posessing a greater than usual sense of individuality and independence, will resist the enforcing nature of the order inposed on them by the leader. |
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With this type of *Order*, would you accept sacrificing Respect and Understanding? --on inevitable situations of course. |
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Well, like I said before, such a situation would occur during war. Wartime leaders don't normally last after the war is over. The best thing to do in such a situation is to show the people that you care for them and that you want to minimize the number of casualties and to do everything in your power to protect them. This can maintain stability to some degree, but death is inevitable during war and as a leader, you must be decisive and shoulder the reponsibilities toward the families that lost their loved one to the war effort. Some of these families will harbor a feeling of resentment, and a leader must be strong enough to move on and accept this so that he may continue to protect those that still live and minimize losses. Often times though, re-establishing trust with those people who suffered the most from the war is difficult and could undermine order. That's why it's more important to maintain the trust and respect of the people, because order comes from that.
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For example, as a politician, you've *strategically* used ways to gain trust and respect. And once your in the position, a decision comes wherein the *people* don't understand(and therefore, misinterpret your nature) your *logical* actions and yet you believe that *that* course of actions, would in the end, lead to Order and Progress, and if rationalized a bit further, would lead into gaining Respect and Understanding which rebuilds Trust. |
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Then understanding between the people and the leader is further strengthened from the people's side as well as they understand what the leader's objectives are. However, depending on what the leader depends on doing, it may or may not promote his excellence. The people may not neccessarily agree with his actions. While there is understanding, trust is deminished and that could break the established order. |
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But I guess your right overall. Respect and Understanding---to people, and from people---plays the more important role within Leadership. Because only from that, originates "true" Order and Progress. Quote:
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2009-09-27, 10:02 | Link #78 |
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Regarding the main question, Cipher, what kinds of leaders do you mean? An ideal leader or an effective leader? Are we talking long-term or short-term effects? And in judging these effects, do you view them based on morality or based on direct results? Even the criteria I listed, I believe, is a general statement with much more room left for further qualification.
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Perhaps, but can this realization be achieved if not everyone is willing to co-operate due to the misunderstanding and the rift created between the leader and its people? |
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