2009-10-25, 01:40 | Link #1021 |
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Is it just me or is the Greed in Lin a pretty cool dude?
[link removed by a moderator] The chimera apologizes for not being able to stop Pride and Greed pretty much says it's okay, go tend to your wounds. I'm pretty sure Lin lost control of the body before that. Last edited by Skyfall; 2009-10-27 at 02:32. |
2009-10-25, 03:31 | Link #1022 |
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Greed has always been a "cool" guy. He is greedy as hell, and he considers than the best way to keep his "live" possessions is to be nice to them. He is also ready to negociate when he's got nothing to lose. Give informations in exchange of something else is something he's willing to do because he can't "lose" information.
Greed is the opposite of the misguided villain, who does bad things but intend well. Greed does good things but out of absolutely selfish intents. |
2009-11-02, 05:14 | Link #1023 | |
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Izumi losts some internal organs that added up to the mass of her baby. She lost about 5-8 pounds of organ tissue. Their offering of the raw materials that compose a body weren't enough, the process requires flesh, I believe. Al will come out of the void, the most powerful alchemist known. His body has been living in the void, staring at the gates symbols for years. He will come out of the gate, knowing EVERYTHING. He may be the Deus Ex Machina that defeats Father, you know. Al is not the weakest, he is just younger than Ed and had his body taken by the roll of a die. |
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2009-11-02, 08:31 | Link #1024 |
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That would be pretty sweet and nicely fitting actually. Al's seen more of the truth than any person but that never seems to have made a difference in his alchemy, maybe it will now.
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2009-11-02, 12:43 | Link #1025 | |
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2009-11-03, 12:39 | Link #1026 | |
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Hohenheim and Father are special creatures. They have powers beyond those of homunculi. Father was the original humunculus, he was created from Hohenheim when he was mortal. They both killed off Xerxes, went through the gate, and remerged with new immortal and super powerful bodies. And if you want to talk about mass. Envy, who is made out of Father, is extremely massive. Anyhow, Father seems to violate the laws of science, physics, and alchemy. He performed alchemy without any special gestures or symbols. Ed's arm was the price of fixing a soul to a body. The process requires the same to fix a new soul to a newly formed artificial organic mass like the mother they tried to create. Back to Al. He was only held back by his youth back in the day and he is a powerful alchemist is spite of being only a SOUL! That's right! He's a ghost in a suit of armor and his soul may not even be complete, yet he is still an enormously powerful alchemist. His body is stuck in limbo staring at a wall filled with symbols. When he gets out and he is at 100%... what do you think he'll be capable of? Ed has advantage of still having his brain, his flesh, an intact soul. As was seen with Barry the Chopper, a soul fixed to armor is not complete, the original body still retains some of it, drawing it to wherever the majority of its missing soul is. Last edited by mechalord; 2009-11-03 at 12:50. |
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2009-11-03, 13:27 | Link #1027 | |
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2009-11-03, 17:56 | Link #1028 |
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Yep. and for the record, Al's soul is on the armor, his body is in the gate, and his mind is attached to both, linking them. (Ed also seems to be linked to al's body, possibly due to them mixing their blood during the attempted human transmutation, possibly due to chance when they were decomposed as they were brought through the gate, possibly as a hand wave to make it possible for Al to return without his body completing dyinig :P). Al's body does not have some kind of super reservoir of talent waiting to be unlocked once his soul reunited with it. That's not how it works.
And as mentioned, the toll is not for human transmutation, but to open the gate, a passage fee, so to speak. What you pay remains at/in the gate. During the attempted transmutation of Trisha, Ed and Al opened the gate and paid the following fees: Ed: Lost his Left leg. Al: Lost his entire body. His soul also suffered from a "rebound" effect of the attempted transmutation, and attached to the thing that Ed and Al transmuted, which died literally seconds after being made. Once the thing's body died, Al's soul was let free, and it was naturally drawn back to the gate, where Al's body was. Immediately after this, Ed drew a soul-binding alchemic array onto the nearby suit of armor (which was either part of the knowledge he gained from seeing the truth, or something he thought up under the intense pressure of the situation using part of his developed theory of human transmutation... think of it like an intellectual adrenaline-rush :P), and opened the gate again. This time, the toll was Ed's right arm. Once the gate was opened, Ed was able to retrieve Al's soul and bind it to the armor. The third time Ed opened the gate, the toll used was some of the souls from Envy's philosopher stone. |
2009-11-03, 18:07 | Link #1029 |
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For the record, it's not that philosopher's stones are some kinds of deus-ex machina that increase alchemic abilities to unimaginable levels because it's a philosopher's stone, it's that the raw energy contained within the stone serves as a magnifying agent of an existing transmutation.
Although the effiiciency of this process seems to vary from stone to stone (ie: the "fake/incomplete" stones used by Marcoh for healing and Cornello for his 'miracles' have a limited amount of usesbefore the stones break... when the energy is depleted). It seems that increasing the energy of the stone by increasing the amount of souls the stones are consisted of, like the case with Father, Hohenheim, and the homunculi, not only makes the stones have more uses overall, but also makes the process more efficient for each use, and in the case of hohenheim and Father, the depletion of their stones is infinitesimal, practically non-existant, except in the cases where they are used for regeneration |
2009-11-07, 08:55 | Link #1030 | |
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2009-11-07, 16:41 | Link #1031 |
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Yeah but think about how Marcoh often would run out of uses of his philosopher's stones, then think of how Armestrisian alchemy uses Father's stone (at least, that's what has been implied), and how many alchemic reactions have occurred over the centuries. Plus, the fact that he's also created homunculus, using some of the lives within him.
I'm just saying that it seems that if a stone made from 10 lives takes 1000 uses to be depleted, a stone made from 5 lives takes 200 uses, and a stone made from 100 lives takes a billion uses. or something along those lines. The efficiency of a stone increasees exponentially according to the # of souls used to create it. |
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