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For me, it's the best movie ever!
And I watched helluva lot of movies (I must confess I'm not that young - for example I watched Star Wars The Empire Strikes Back and Escape from New York in the year they were released ). Also, I'm a fan of Sci-Fi genre in literature since maybe early 1980s And, Avatar isn't just exceptionally good, - it's groundbreaking. In 20 years from now this very movie will be remembered as the one that started the new era in cinema.
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2009-12-30, 14:43 | Link #102 | |
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2009-12-30, 15:12 | Link #103 |
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I heard this movie is racist, is it true? I won't be watching it then....
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/wi...ty-award-2009/ |
2009-12-30, 16:01 | Link #104 | |
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That being said, the only one that can decide whether the movie is good or bad is you. So, instead of reading a random article from The Telegraph, why don't you just spend the few euros/dollars/etc and see the film for yourself... |
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2009-12-30, 19:17 | Link #106 |
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While it is true that the plot is not really original, I have to admit the movie completely pulled me in. I actually found myself hoping that the main characters would survive and cheering whenever
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2009-12-30, 19:26 | Link #107 |
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So my godfather took me to see this movie, I have to admit, visually the movie is breath taking, but in the end the movie fell flat, character development was a minimal, the people had very little interaction and I think that if they had cut out the whole love relationship this movie could have possibly swept the oscars. Also the movie lacked any tension, although sully is doing these death defying feats I felt no fear, no possibility that he would die, instead it deflated everything he did. He was superman and his nemesis was a plush poodle. Really the story was average, the acting very subpar. What's the point of having sygornie weaver to have her in like 20% of the scenes doing nothing but playing an unchanging character that never even gets close to the mad scientist she is supposed to portray.
The thing is Cameron portrays the military as a bunch of gungho trigger happy monkeys, and that the corporate head is the one who is "compassionate" relative to the sargent. In the end the characters are 1 dimensional, they don't have depth, sully's change is supposed to be dramatic, so much so that he sacrifices the life he has known to live with the people that he has found. Also cameron completely ignores the idea that cloning creates something that itself inherently has a soul unless the beings are supposed to be dolls, because in the end none is really defined. Why does the pilot defect? She's so characterless that I forgot her name after just watching the movie. I wonder why. The movie is a good movie, but it really isn't great or anything above say District 9 or hell even star trek was better. Last edited by Nosauz; 2009-12-30 at 19:38. |
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That article, and others like it, are just people trying to stir the pot... Honestly, these days it seems people will see "racism" in anything, intentional or not. Besides, the "black people" in this, aka the Na'vi, are the ones who win and drive off the white man, so I fail to see how this could be construed as racist (as opposed to things like District 9 where there was a definite overtone of racism, etc).
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2009-12-30, 20:19 | Link #109 |
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This has nothing to do with "black people" the navi are far more similar to the native americans. This is specifically from their intuneness with nature. This is a heavily didactic movie that seems to be an attempt to shame americans of their treatment of native americans during the expansion of the west and the settling of the east. And not so much african americans since the racism features little to do with slavery and more with a land grab/resource grab much like in the 1800s and european powers that ravaged latin america and south america.
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2009-12-30, 21:50 | Link #112 | |
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But yeah racism is less apparent in this movie, but man the cheesiness is just far too much, I mean I guess thats why kids don't come up with great movies :P |
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2009-12-30, 22:46 | Link #113 | |
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In fact I even saw somebody say that everybody who liked the movie at all is a tool. I'm sorry, but who exactly is the real tool there? Silly people, they think that hating something that's popular makes them different. But no, when you judge something so much based on it's popularity you are still a tool. Anyway, sorry for the rant. What I liked the most about this movie was seeing the whole new world and and all of the neat plant types. I'm a sucker for adventure type stories, no doubt about it.
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2009-12-31, 03:25 | Link #115 | |
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Avatar is just another streamlined movie and while the effects are neat they aren't the best reason to visit a theater. |
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2009-12-31, 07:46 | Link #116 | |
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@Ending, actually this is the one movie I'd definitely go see in a theatre/imax, because that's the whole point, because the movie really doesn't have a engrossing story there really isn't a rewatchability. |
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I'm...not sure if we watched the same characters interact. I certainly didn't get a feeling of Grace and Jake being aloof when they got to know each other better.
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2009-12-31, 11:34 | Link #118 |
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Actually the banshee thing is fine, what I'm pointing out was with the epic mount it shouldn't have been oh, u tame a beast and I can absolve all your sins. Plus this messiah figure in all actuality shouldn't just be a messiah, for the Na'vi to be somewhat complex having jake become a messiah type character was just an easy way to avoid real depth to the na'vi and to jake. The fact that a messiah is solely chosen by riding a mount that isn't perilous in anywhich way then attacking from the sky then thats pretty pathetic for someone to be considered a messiah.
Grace and jake don't actually have a lot of screen time, their relationship is barely developed and clearly the lack of development makes the scene so strange and awkward. There isn't that emotional connection, also bearded indian dude, why is he suddenly trustworthy? I guess because he's a scientist he suddenly is trust worthy, yet there is no signs that the other scientists are untrustworthy? It makes no sense when you look at it, many of the story telling elements where just to make the movie fit into a time frame that is really unrealistic if you want complex characters that are relatable. |
2009-12-31, 11:48 | Link #119 |
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A comment I read on another forum: didn't anyone feel like their life was crap right after seeing this movie?
Though it was random and it was just on an imageboard, the dude was a little right. The reason why I found it a good movie was not all the nice bling bling graphics it had but also the fact that it was in a way of trading a crappy every day life for something awesome. Though it is just teen angst screaming out, I found that he was quite right.. even if denying it you still feel a little jealous |
2009-12-31, 12:44 | Link #120 |
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^Any good fantasy world can make you feel this way (and the best inspire you to write your own fantasy worlds...or fanfiction ). In fact, the popularity of many fantasy novels, especially children's fantasy, is the character arc of transforming from mundane to the magical (this film handled the transformation quite well, especially the slow breakdown of the human body as Jake slowly becomes more and more Na'vi). (Of course, there are many good medias res fantasy worlds as well.)
Conversely, this transformation can be horrible, as seen in District 9 just a few months previous. |
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