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It would be valid from the reader's episodic perspective that Elsee is the "first girl", but that is erroneous in regards to the actual chronology of the Kaminomi world. With that being said, the true "first girl" in accordance to the timeline would be Tenri Ayukawa who have made her first appearance 10 years ago as Keima's osananajimi. Elsee is the "first girl" that Keima meets in the publication of the manga. Quote:
As for Keima's character discussion: From the beginning, at the base of his subconsciousness, Keima is warmhearted and is capable of expressing humane emotions to others in the climax of his interactions with the capture target girls and other various instances. Throughout the "short stories" of individual characters and Kaminomi's (in)famous fillers, Keima undergoes a slow-and-steady character development, if not refinement. As the plotline progresses, we can notice the subtle and apparent changes in his behaviours and thought patterns that deviates from the the norm he set for himself earlier in the series. But... until the end... Kami-sama will be Kami-sama, and it will be a long ride before we can see the final result of his involvement in this whole ordeal.
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2010-03-06, 11:05 | Link #1246 | |
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I notice a lot of people are already making judgements or ruling out certain girls regarding the goddesses based off of previous interaction after the capture. I just want to throw it out that perhaps the goddess is just too weak to influence the girl enough to show full recognition? |
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2010-03-06, 12:15 | Link #1247 |
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Well, that has been suggested (on the MF forum) but most people are going for the instant recognition/complete memory right after the capture.
I would prefer it to be those girls that aren't close to Katsuragi already – which are Ayumi, Chihiro, and Kanon, who are in the same class. And for those who are wondering about the female galge characters on this filler episode for Keima's ED theme "The Dream Traveler of the Integrated Circuit", here is an image for it: *Credits to s280, ImAKami, Sama_al_Azraq
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2010-03-06, 13:22 | Link #1248 |
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What's "MF"? Sorry >.<
Can somebody explain to me the whole "if they had a weiss they might have a goddess" logic that Diana seems to have? I don't recall Tenri ever being actually possessed by a Weiss at all, so where does Diana get this idea? Also, do Goddess also hide in the "cracks" of the heart, or do they simply pick a heart and live next to it? Does the girl need to give permission, or did Diana simply wait until Tenri's O-K on the basis of morals? It seems like Diana is really bound to Tenri's heart. Do you think this is because she can't leave, or leaving would endanger both her and Tenri? |
2010-03-06, 14:20 | Link #1249 | |
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One of the things we know about capturing runaway souls is that the memories of the host are altered to remove any reference to the supernatural. Tenri did have a runaway soul inside her (one Diana grabbed when she entered Tenri for camouflage during the escape of the souls) that was taken by Nora. That should have caused Tenri's memories to be altered, but they were not, presumably (according to Diana) due to the presence of a goddess, whose memories could not have been altered. The assumption is that any of the other girls who had runaway souls may have also had a goddess, and as a result may have also not had their memories altered.
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2010-03-06, 14:55 | Link #1250 |
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I see. I still am curious as to how a Goddess is allowed access to a girl's heart; anyone have any ideas regarding that?
Also, I assumed that having memories wiped was the doing of the demon capture squad. It seems that it's more like an inherent side effect of having a demon? |
2010-03-06, 15:00 | Link #1251 |
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No, there isn't any known information in regards to it. Diana asked for Tenri's consent 10 years ago... This would either mean the remaining Goddesses have either occupied one of Keima's captured girl's heart at the same time of The Great Escape or they have wandered around for 10 long years until now.
It has been noted throughout the series that the Hades Government has divisions for memory modification, and that they do possess the technology.
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2010-03-06, 16:13 | Link #1252 |
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Then there would be no way Tenri's memory would have been wiped out if a demon didn't do it? I'm assuming that when a Weiss leaves, it takes some of the memory out with it.
Maybe the memory wiping divisions are there to fix up anybody else in the area? |
2010-03-06, 21:16 | Link #1253 | |
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2010-03-06, 22:47 | Link #1254 |
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That can't be the only source of it though. Think about it: There was no demon involved in Tenri's capture; only Diana was responsible. If there was no memory-wiping demons involved, then Diana's belief that a Goddess-inhabited girl would retain their memories is completely misplaced.
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2010-03-07, 00:13 | Link #1255 |
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Nora reported Tenri to the Hades Government of New Hell as a possessor of kaketama. So even though the kaketama did not influence Tenri is any way, the memory modification divison of New Hell carried out their task regardless. Although this "division" is never shown in the manga, it is apparent that they do exist. So in the end, Diana's belifes are correct: Those girls with a Goddess will "retain" their memory about Keima.
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2010-03-07, 00:27 | Link #1256 | |
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Don't overthink it. It ruins the fun.
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2010-03-07, 00:31 | Link #1257 | |
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Oh well, speculation doesn't really make a manga more enjoyable anyhow. Last edited by babohtea; 2010-03-07 at 00:49. |
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2010-03-07, 23:37 | Link #1258 |
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I respectfully disagree. It's by no means necessary, but speculation and analysis of a work can definitely add to the enjoyment. You just have to keep from getting too engrossed in detail, and keep hold of your suspension of disbelief. Sometimes in order to make things work a certain way in the story the author has to get logic to turn its head for a bit. As long as it's not too glaring, it's okay. And "it's magic" can be a pretty decent "catch-all" excuse when not overused. ^_^
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