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Battler sins against Maria promising to play with her every year Battler's sin causes everyone to simultaneously act as Maria's secret (Santa) Beatrice to cheer her up Each Beatrice is involved in a different group and has a different motive I can't imagine one person being able to teach Maria everything she knows about the occult. It's extremely plausible that it had to be a group effort. Kyrie even admits all the women are suspects if you consider the Beatrice disguise.
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2010-04-20, 22:02 | Link #8542 | |
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2010-04-20, 22:04 | Link #8543 | |
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But yeah I see no reason why Eva has to have a tattoo. Interestingly enough, Evatrice doesn't have a tattoo on her arm even though she's suppose to look like a younger Eva. So my guess is that Eva probably put it on later in life. |
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2010-04-20, 22:06 | Link #8544 | |
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2010-04-20, 22:07 | Link #8545 | |
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2010-04-20, 22:17 | Link #8546 | |
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The real problem with teaching Maria would be that you'd need a few weeks worth of raw time with her to get properly started. It's not possible to do that just during family conferences which are apparently timed to weekends with a single sleepover - there simply isn't enough of them. Either Rosa is unaware that she's doing it herself, or someone else has or had access to Maria for an extended period. The latter can occur if Rosa shows up on the island not only during conferences, but also during Maria's school vacations - or at least, for the entire Golden Week. I don't really think such an extended stay is very plausible seeing Rosa's memories of her siblings and the statements that Kinzo did not like Maria. (Though can we trust those? Kinzo would be the perfect teacher here. Kinzotrice!) Come to think of it, there's one more thing that annoys me about Rosa. Rosa is the president of a company, but the rest of the family and her TIPS call it more of a hobby as her company is unprofitable. But she is not the borrower of her loan, but a co-signer, meaning that she bears the burden of paying it back because the borrower has defaulted on it. Which means that the loan isn't feeding her company. What exactly is Rosa's source of income?
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2010-04-20, 22:22 | Link #8547 | |
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Mutual funds, bonds, patents for designs, intellectual property. I could list all kinds of income other than earned income. The loan could even be to start a new company if you want to make her suspicious.
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2010-04-20, 22:34 | Link #8548 | |
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No, as far as I'm aware, that's how it legally works in Japan, or at least did until a few years ago - I remember seeing foreigners in Japan writing about this with a certain level of dread, as the social pressure incites people to do this for their coworkers. When you co-sign for someone else's loan, you vouch for their ability to repay it, but don't actually get anything for it. Should they be unable to, and declare bankruptcy or run away, you become just as liable as they are.
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2010-04-20, 22:38 | Link #8550 | |
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And even if the asset is her property for other people use her designs or intellectual property she has to get a cut of the pie. She can get paid for owning something.
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2010-04-20, 22:41 | Link #8551 | |
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So, if the company is unprofitable, what exactly keeps it afloat and pays, in particular, Rosa's salary? Money has to come from somewhere, and while startup capital could have been donated by Kinzo, I expect the company would have been founded before Maria was born. If it were such a hobby all that time, the capital would probably run out.
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2010-04-20, 22:46 | Link #8552 |
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It's either Rosa being independently wealthy enough to feed the company, - and then why the loan is so problematic for her, how big did it have to be? - or the company being used to feed Rosa and her loan, and then it's not clear why it hasn't keeled over in nine years.
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2010-04-20, 22:52 | Link #8553 |
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If Rosa is the cosigner the loan could be for anyone not just Rosa herself correct? And her husband is not the only possible candidate?
So couldn't she just have bad friends like Krauss? I also don't see why her company being a hobby automatically means it's unsuccessful. Sure it's a joke to everyone on the island, but she should at least have a middle class income. Then all it comes down to is how responsible do you think she is.
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2010-04-20, 22:57 | Link #8554 | |
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That's a good question for which the textual evidence is not very conclusive - she seems to be on both ends of the spectrum at once.
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2010-04-20, 23:03 | Link #8555 |
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I don't understand why everyone seems to think Rosa had a "husband." Just because Battler thought she should have doesn't mean she did. The fact that he's not around, or spoken of, and that she hasn't changed her name (and it's never been mentioned he was moved to the register like Hideyoshi was), and the reaction Kinzo has to Maria, strongly suggests that Rosa was unmarried.
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2010-04-20, 23:09 | Link #8556 | |
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Besides, I can easily see Rosa being pressured to marry the man who got her pregnant. Rudolf probably got into a similar situation with Asumu, as Kyrie eluded to (then again, Kyrie is not too reliable when Asumu comes up) |
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2010-04-20, 23:13 | Link #8557 | |
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2010-04-21, 07:46 | Link #8559 |
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in my country women keep their surnames even after being married. It's less of a hassle with all those divorces and remarriages...
but in Japan looks like it's exact opposite. Apparently you can change your surname as easy as changing your residence. For example Battler is said to have used her mother surname when he left home, which is something you'd definitely find it very odd in western countries. But Battler stopped being an Ushiromiya and then came back being an Ushiromiya in the span of 6 years or actually less. I think I've seen a similar scenario in some anime. So the point here is that the fact that Maria is called "Maria Ushiromiya" given the japanese context can't be used as a proof that Rosa never married... because it's possible that Maria's surname was changed after Rosa divorced... And well it's also possible that Maria was born after the divorce. Anyway Rosa changing back to "Ushiromiya" wa a natural step.
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2010-04-21, 08:33 | Link #8560 |
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How Maria learned so much about magic is something I can't quite iron out. I've thought it out a couple times, but the only satisfying answers involve assumptions.
I've got three theories: firstly, that "Beatrice" was teaching magic to Maria before Battler left the island six years ago. If she had the extra time, there might have been enough time to give her the complex knowledge of magic that Maria has. The problem with this is, that Maria was three back six years ago (unless Rosa's lying about her own daughter's age for some reason, and that Maria is a loli). Most kids have a hard time learning complex topics such as the magic circles at nine, let alone three. So Maria's either a super-genius, or she possesses some amazing condition where she consciously remembers everything told to her. Secondly, that "Beatrice" was in contact with Maria during the rest of the year. I don't just mean on the rare occasion Rosa might visit Rokkenjima besides the family conference, I also mean when Maria was at home. It's shown when Battler calls Jessica to tell her that he's coming to the 1986 conference that the cousins keep in contact with each other over the phone and possibly snail mail as well, considering the time. And since Rosa was rarely ever home for extended periods of time, there would be plenty of time where Beatrice could talk over the phone or send mail (assuming the Ushiromiya fear of looking in closets carries over in Rosa's case to the mailbox), or even visit Maria. We know the servants had vacations (Shannon took a several days-long trip to Okinawa, I think), so if Beatrice knew Maria was alone at home often, it wouldn't be hard to visit her. The biggest problem with this is how it could continue so long without Rosa noticing. It also means Beatrice isn't bound to the island... which goes against what we are told. Thirdly, that Maria had access to books and other media on magical theory. Once again, we know Rosa was hardly home. If she was, she'd probably find theorized books and destroy them in some fit of rage. With this, Beatice could go over basic magic theory during the conferences, and Maria could extend her learning by reading up on the topics during the rest of the year. The reason I can't quite accept this one is because of the time period. It's 1986. Internet won't be commercially available for two more years, so computer-based information is impossible, assuming Rosa has even bothered to get a computer. Knowledge on Western magic would be incredibly hard to find in Japan, and the only sensible was I can find out of this is that Beatrice smuggled some of Kinzo's books to Maria, who somehow managed to smuggle them into her room without Rosa noticing. Well, that's all I've been able to come up with, I don't really like any of them, but it's the best I can come up with. |
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