2004-09-14, 14:33 | Link #41 |
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First off...Has anyone realized how bad of an idea concentrating on the enemies feet in battle is? While Gai is staring at Itachi's feet, Itachi pulls a kunai and sticks him. Done deal.
Anyways...... it's not as if sasuke is the only one who can beat itachi. He just has the best chance due to bloodline potential. Well, that, and he can't die til he kills him. If someone else does it, he'll be pissed. Being the only other true sharingan user, he's the only one (unless kakashi can get mange, which would wipe his chakra in one use im sure) that could face itachi on his own terms as far as sharingan goes. If sasuke gets to a point where he has mange, it's prolly gonna come down to whos mange is stronger. They could read each other's moves, so taijutsu would be useless. Genjutsu can be seen through, and ninjutsu could be followed and copied, negating it (like the water dragon attack) It'd be a big tomoe filled staring contest. Whoever had the most chakra would hold out the longest and win. |
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2004-09-14, 16:29 | Link #43 | |
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Itachi never did a Water Wall to protect himself! and i will give you a recap of everithing -Itachi Kicks Kurenai to the Water -Next the water Clone Itachi Appears Behind Kurenai -Kakashi appears -they talk a litle (Its still the water clone) -The Water Clone Itachi takes out the shurinken, both Kurenai and Kakashi are watching this. -Then Kakshi makes the Water wall and Itachi The real One makes the Water atak (i know this because the water clone never witdrew the shurinken so he did not made hand seals) -Kakshi says he could not follow the hands seals..thats because he was following the movement of the Water clone who never did the water atack jutsu, -after this The real Itachi stabs a Water clone Kakashi in the back, the same time kurenai sez, "A Shadow Bushin?" in this momnet Kurenai was thinking that the Bushin was the real itachi and that the real Itachi was a Bushin, because she had her eyes always on the bushin she never saw hand seals... That Because Both Kakshi and Kurenai, always kept there eyes oin the bushin, and behind there backs The real itachi was making the jutsus....Im not saying that he is slow, he really does makes the seals fast (heck we don have any prove that he even needs to make hand seals) But Kakshi and Kurenai coul not follow the seals because the were always following the Clone Movements
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2004-09-14, 16:49 | Link #44 | |
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Itachi did create a water wall to be protected from the explosion. Quote:
The simple truth is that as during every fight in Naruto the fighters explain what's going on and that you disliked the explanation and thus invented your own which contradict what Kakashi and Kurenai explained without even a single proof nor reason. Oh and besides Itachi never used a Water Clone it was a Kage Bunshin. |
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2004-09-14, 17:26 | Link #46 | |
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Excuse for the water clone...becasue i did not know if it was a Bushin or a water clone...either way is stilla clone...sorry for the water part.. pbut all of my explanation is right there in the manga...and Kurenai and Kakshi are awayl thinking that the Clone is the real Itachi..Kurenai have this tough until kakashi warned her...and Kakshi knew this just before he passed the Knife to Kurenai watch the manga again..very close, im only saying wath im saw in the manga...im niot inventing nor contradicting....and wath was thjat that i invented my ownexplanation??????
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2004-09-14, 17:42 | Link #47 |
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We cant say anything, we just have to see them fight.
Only thing i know is i have never seen oro say that itachi is stronger then him (or it was becouse of the translation) And the time he DID say, he said he couldn't beat him in his current condition (without his arms). If oro is 100% cured, i think it will be a hell of a fight but i think that oro will win. |
2004-09-14, 17:50 | Link #48 | |
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wow how can u say that, Oro says it best himself here let me give a brief recap on what oro thinks of itachi. -chapter 140- -ORO- "First of all. If we had only gotten Uchiha Itachi to join us.There wouldnt have been any prolems at all. But that is just a dream to wish for.... because he is even stronger than my self..." -Kabuto- "........" -ORO- "That is why i left that organization" He basically states that Itachi forced him out of the organization because he was stronger.. im pretty sure he had his arms in the organization i dunno bout you though.. they looked pretty active when he was fight sarutobi |
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2004-09-14, 17:54 | Link #49 | ||
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Well it's just wrong... Yes Itachi replaced himself by a clone and Kakashi also replace himself by a Water Clone just before Itachi stabs him, does that means that Kakashi was a water clone from the beginning? Frankly I kinda like your theory but if it was true then Kakashi or Kurenai would have explained that Itachi was a clone since the beginning and that they were wrong to think that they were unable to see his hand seals. Imagine that Zabuza would never have explained that the Sharingan can't see in the future after his first defeat, it would have been stupid. When a character gives a wrong explanation it's always rectified when he understand what's going on not to lose the readers. |
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2004-09-14, 18:39 | Link #50 | |
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Besides almost all of Oro's attacks are based on Ninjutsu and Genjutsu, I think Itachi would be able to see through that with his sharingan. |
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2004-09-14, 19:13 | Link #51 | |
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simple:he s a missing nin,a bad guy and mainly ,he left konoha very early ,when he was 13 so it s a bit normal that he wasn t considered like a legend and that few people (in konoha)know well his real strenght |
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2004-09-14, 20:50 | Link #52 |
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Granted Gai would lose to Itachi because Itachi is nearly as good or better than the Sannins but I don't think Gai would get his ass kicked like most have said. He told the other two ninja (forgive me for forgetting their names) to stare at the feet because it would be easier for them. I think Gai could stare at the torso or even focus on Itachis right hand or something in order to give him a defense for Jutsus. So yeah Gai would lose, but he wouldn't be as useless as most of you would think.
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2004-09-14, 21:24 | Link #53 |
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If Oro fought Itachi, it would go like this
Oro * Summons Yodiame* Itachi : Oh shit Itachi *dies* Oro: Well now that that's finished with, I'll go rape some more little boys Unless of course Itachi is stronger than Yodiame. I really don't see how everyone says Itachi is some ultra godlike shinobi who can never be beaten. He can do Tsukiyomi, thats nice, he can also Amaterasu and he faster than Kakashi on jutsu speed. He has the sharingan so he can dodge movements right. His stamina sucks, and we haven't really seen much of his other arsenal besides the stuff he showed off vs Kakashi which is pretty basic. This is in no way godlike, he's fast but he's not as fast as gai, his jutsu speed is fast but it doesn't matter because we don't have enough to base his jutsus off of, Tsukiyomi is easily countered by kage bushin, Amaterasu looks like a high lvl katon, which can be dodged. He can read movements but that doesn't do much when the other person is faster or can attack from multiple points at once. Hes also vulnerable to direct attack jutsu's and he doesn't have the stamina to take lots of hits or keep pouring out jutsu's. The sharingan is not a be all end all, there are counters. Itachi is not the shinobi god, hes just a suped up version of Kakashi. While I'm not denying his strenght, and he is top 3 strongest, the characters say too many contradictory things to create a final power triangle, top 3 being Oro, Jiraiya and Itachi in no particular order. None of them are stronger than Sarutobi or Yodiame. |
2004-09-15, 01:33 | Link #54 | |
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Orochimaru-sama: I'd have had no problems if Uchiha Itachi was under my control. That seems to be an impossible dream, however. He is stronger than I. That's why... I left that organization (and here we also get to see that Orochimaru-sama's Dawn ring says "Void" ^_^x ). I wouldn't say Itachi "forced him out" or anything of that manner. Most probably Orochimaru-sama noticed that Itachi had the sharingan which is the key to his dreams of becoming a god (that's what he thinks anyway) and thus got pissed and just left. Of course this is just speculation since we don't know, but there's nothing in there that even hints at Itachi even caring about Orochimaru-sama's presence; it was Orochimaru-sama who felt bothered and left. And yes, most probably he left before he lost his arms since this scene seems to take place just when he has arrived home after the Sarutobi fight. Also I don't remember seeing a ring from Dawn on him ever. |
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2004-09-15, 01:42 | Link #55 |
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Itachi's biggest strength to me seems to be his intelgence. Oro is overconfident and it has burned him on more than one occasion. Itachi will almost never lose any battle because he wouldn't fight one he had a chance in hell of losing.
Don't know if he has done anything else in the manga but so far all we saw him do was totally embarass the journin of konoha. And the move he used on kakashi, though powerful, seemed to take a heavy toll on him as well. So in the end if Itachi and Oro ever did fight Itachi would blow him away. Why ? because Itachi would not be lured into a fight where he was not at a great advantage. |
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but again, it was just the translation then |
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2004-09-15, 08:51 | Link #57 | |
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The part of the explanation, remember that after this hapens Kurenai and Kakshi only apears in only to pages in the whole manga after this kakashi appears a couple of time, but more concern of Sasuke because now sasuke is the center stage.. also, when you mention the zabuza figth remeber that the arc was centring in Zabuza as the Main villain, after the itachi incident, if you see, his name is only mentioned like 4 times in the whole manga (most of them by sasuke who did not witness the fight, you have a point with the explanation, could it be that the explanation will be done the next moment Itachi appears? , as i had the same perception of that fight as you had, and it makes itachi looks cooler, but it has always bother me how we coul make hand seals without taking his hand out of the cloth, unless he doesnt makes hand seals.... Well Well, still lest leave it like this, its getting too troublesome this arguement also Can ORochimaru Summond Yondaime????? inst Yondaime Soul inside the dead God Stomach????
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No, it's just stupid because it wasn't even hinted at all. Quote:
It's very simple actually, if Kishimoto wanted to make us believe that Itachi was in fact a Kage Bunshin since the beginning Kakashi would have say something about it rather than to say that his jutsu speed was impossible to follow and then not to correct his thought after that. Quote:
It was just say that it was too fast to be noticeable (under his big coat anyways ). In the end your therory doesn't explain the situation because even if it was a Kage Bunshin nobody saw him made the hand seals to do the clone neither to do the Genjutsu counter nor the water protection in front of him. Actually it's that simple : we never saw Itachi made a hand seal. Quote:
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2004-09-15, 10:22 | Link #59 | |
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And for the Whole Other part lets leave it like it is.....(ist getting to troublesome for me to be making post ) we both have diferent opinion of waht happen...
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