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View Poll Results: Do you feel sorry for Orihime? | |||
Yes | 93 | 28.88% | |
A little | 36 | 11.18% | |
Hell no | 121 | 37.58% | |
Meh other characters have suffered more. | 65 | 20.19% | |
Other | 7 | 2.17% | |
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2010-07-15, 23:46 | Link #282 | |
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When you're basically kidnapped, of course you're friend who just happens to be the hero of this story is going to come save you Ulquiorra issued her a life or death ultimatum. 1 training session with Rukia isn't by any means "a lot" There was lots of potential Kubo had in his hands with Orihime by having her say what she did...but for whatever reason took off in a whole different direction. You fight when you know you can at least delay the enemy, you don't fight when you know you don't stand a chance Such heroic non-sense *fires arm cannon and kills Ironhide* ~Megatron |
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2010-07-16, 00:09 | Link #283 | |
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And I wasn't even trying to play up her training, I never thought it would have that much of an impact in terms of making her stronger, I though it would help her to use her abilities quicker and more instinctively is all. What I focus on is her WILLPOWER, because THAT is what truly drives her powers. When Orihime believes and is determined and full of the will to protect/defend we've all seen that her powers are amazing. So then why don't we see that in Las Noches? MacGuyver has nothing on Orihime WHEN SHE BELIEVES. And with those promises she made I thought she had found her resolve and strength of will, but I have no seen it. What I have seen from her is anything but, only fear, doubt, confusion, and desperation. I feel sorry for Orihime in that I think she bit off more than she could chew. I am disappointed in Orihime because she didn't live up to the promises she made to HERSELF and because it doesn't seem like she planned anything at all. At this point I really do feel that (subconsciously) she was waiting for her prince Charming/white knight to rescue so she never even made plans for anything else and so that outcome of everything that is happening is driving her crazy. but hell, it's only my opinion, lol, and everyone is gonna have a slightly (or majorly) different take. I can see you points, I just think Orihime is stronger than that if she truly wants to be. I do want to say now, before I forget, thanx DjTrizz, for debating this with me nicely with out us being dragged into some of the immature pissing contest I see going on in some forums/boards. And if you at anytime feel I am attacking you or anything let me know cause that is furthest from my intentions. You're right I don't know what the hell Kubo was thinking/is doing with Orihime. Last edited by SakuraHououji-NoMiko; 2010-07-16 at 03:05. Reason: Kubo |
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2010-07-16, 01:05 | Link #284 | |
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I got the impression she was imprisoned there quite a bit longer than a few hours based on a few things: 1.) they took the effort to feed her (which would have been pointless if she was only there for a few hours) 2.) her refusal to eat caused Ulquiorra to think that she would die/not keep her strength up at which point he said he would force feed her if necessary (again, only really a problem if she's been refusing food for days and not a few hours) 3.) and the general familiarity some of the characters had with her. The amount of hate that characters like Loli and Menoly had towards her doesn't really make sense to me if it's something that's only been cultivated over the course of a few hours. It seemed like something that had been going on for a while, building up steadily over time. I can't say for certain how long she was there exactly, but my general impression was that it was much longer than a day.
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2010-07-16, 14:00 | Link #285 |
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You're right, went to double check, she was there for at least 2 days. From the time she left, to the evening when Ichigo, Ishida and Chad took the gate to HM. But I still stand by the events afterwards being only a matter of hours Re-checking those chapters lead me to believe her plan was more of a long term thing, because of her dialogue saying she had to make them all believe she's useful and I would assume gain their trust.
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2010-07-17, 12:03 | Link #289 | |
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And also, where does she say or imply that she is buying time for everyone else to get strong? Not, contradicting you here I just want to know what chapter cause I can't remember that line. I always thought that she intend to do it herself to be helpful and prove she's strong. Now here is where I do challenge that: your first argument says she had no choice but this one says she did it to give the others time to grow stronger. So are you saying it was both? Since she had no choice she figured at least it will buy the others some time to get stronger? So she is becoming a willing sacrifice so to speak? I would buy that except for the fact that she did not know WHAT Aizen intended to do with her till HE told her. So, she could not really have imagined buy them time since she didn't know what her know kidnapping was in the first place. Aizen could have used and disposed of her from the get-go, she didn't know she was just another pawn in his chess game. |
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2010-07-17, 18:32 | Link #290 | |
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The scans I read says from her inner monologue,"...Was it...really a good thing I came here...? Won't my healing these people's injuries just make the swirl of battle larger...? ...No...but right now I have to do whatever I can to make them think I have some value at least until everyone is ready for battle." |
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2010-07-17, 21:56 | Link #291 | |
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Ahhh, cool, so it was something she said after she healed GJ. Thanks, as I was thinking of the stuff she was saying before she left, lol. Alrighty, I'll buy that argument too. |
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2010-07-18, 13:13 | Link #292 | ||
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2010-07-21, 04:04 | Link #296 | ||
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2010-07-21, 14:22 | Link #297 |
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Meh, only from your POV, I mean sure the battles must've been bad but apparently she enjoyed the sight of blood and had a pretty decent life as soon as she met Ken-chan (which wasn't that late into life). No mind fuckery, no physical abuse as far as we saw.
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2010-08-04, 02:44 | Link #298 | |
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OKAY. Since I don't really know what you are talking about with your first part, I'll ignore it because I was done with this thread and I don't feel like going back and reading all my post and the responses to them. And by not understanding I didn't see the connection between what you quoted me saying and what you're saying is all. I understand you don't like that I said SHE DID KNOW they were coming for her, but my opinion on that has not changed. Just because you don't want to believe something, doesn't mean you don't know it will happen. Plus that line you used actually made me feel irritated at Orihime. She is suppose to be able to understand her nakama and stuff right? That's one of her good points we all love right? So why WOULDN'T she know that they are the type that would come after her? And how could she expect them to KNOW why she left WITHOUT WORD? You pulling that line out didn't sway me towards favoring her behavior at all. NEXT. I don't need to re-read the chapter at all. Orihime didn't think to buy time till AFTER she was in Los Noches. And by agreeing to go to HM she didn't buy anyone any time as far as I can see. Correct me if I'm wrong but, I could have sworn that in was the Espada who were actually LOSING the fights they were in: Shinji was gonna kill Grimmjow, Toshiro had enclosed Luppi into an ice prison he couldn't escape from and would have died in, and Urahara was gonna open some whip-ass on Yammy. Her agreeing to go to HM actually allowed the present Espada to escape probable death, so I fail to see what time was bought. Right about now, I'm guessing the reply would be, "But Ulquiorra was gonna kill everyone!" Possible, but let's not forget there was also 7 other Vizard waiting in the wings. We can't say WHAT would have happened if she was resistant because everything is according to Kubo. I'm looking with the events that were actually drawn, and I don't see how you can say they were "losing" at all. |
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2010-08-04, 14:01 | Link #300 | ||
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But lets say that YES, at the time they were indeed getting a beat down, that Orihime was seeing that. It still doesn't mean that Orihime bought them any time, as was your original argument for bringing that up. Because we know that Shinji and Urahara DID appear and we know that Toshiro DID en-prison Luppi. Orihime had NOTHING to do with those actions. So the argument she bought them time won't wash. And the fact the Ulquiorra and Negacion come so much later in the fighting IMPLIES to me (since I am not Kubo) that when the tides in the fights changed, Ulquiorra was still talking to Orihime, so again I say those images she saw were probably only glimpses of her friends and not the WHOLE battle field, and who knows if they were real-time or not. But as individuals we each have the right to infer what we want, that's the joy of reading. So at this point, since I have already established my stand, since I had already acknowledge that I can accept others view points in my previous posts (shame I can't get the same treatment), and since I already stated I don't hate the poor girl, but I'm not blind to her faults and the faults of her actions as I see them, I am going to call it quits on this debate that has become rather onerous. You are more than welcome to reply back kagato3 dear, since I'm not trying to get the last word, but have simply grown weary. It's just that I will not be replying to your reply if you do is all. I do enjoy debates but only when both parties can acknowledge the points each party is making, if you want to ignore/refute any point I make, then the debate becomes rather one-sided and pointless. My thanks to to DJTrizz and Langus who I had fun with. |
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