2010-08-16, 15:47 | Link #2462 |
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meh. None of the characters are really all that important other than Shirou, Rin, and Saber to Fate/Stay Night. Those are the three characters that provide both the essentials to the Fate/Stay Night universe (Shirou) and the fanbase (Saber), as well as a helpful mechanism in moving the story (Rin).
Yeah, Sakura isn't even really mentioned in the other two routes because she doesn't even matter to those routes. Those two routes can stand on their own without her presence, so there is really no need to expand upon her. HF's ending results in a complete shut out of happily ever after (Fate doesn't offer much to off on), but UBW actually provides the mechanism to tell more in this story. And don't get me wrong, Sakura, Illya, and all the other servants were interesting characters, but we don't need to bring them back for any reason. We can have new characters you know?
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2010-08-16, 16:22 | Link #2463 | ||||||||
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If Nasu didn't want HF to be considered as "as important" as the other routes, he would have said so. All three routes are equal, and when you add it up over the three routes Sakura is just as important a character as Saber, and perhaps as important as Rin. It's just that her importance is only obvious in HF. Quote:
Not to mention that following UBW but ignoring Sakura's situation leads to the fact that people would be playing it knowing full well that Sakura is suffering in the background whilst it happened, which would just cause even more rage. For Nasu to do that would tear the fanbase in half even more than it already is, between people with a heart and people who don't care about Sakura. Quote:
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2010-08-16, 16:36 | Link #2464 | ||
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2) Just because people don't care about Sakura, don't like her as a character, or don't want to hear her story (repeated) doesn't mean they don't have a heart. She's a fictional character. Quote:
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2010-08-16, 16:40 | Link #2465 | |
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HA is like Kagetsu Tohya, no matter if the route that leads to it is mentioned or not, doesn't mean that it didn't happen. It's quite clear from the readthroughs or playthroughs for that matter, and I would take Evospace's observations on that very much ahead of most here. Also, Nasu has never said HF was more important than the other routes, they all have equal value in the story. It's strictly the Sakura-extremists who lash out at others who don't see things exactly their way. |
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2010-08-16, 16:58 | Link #2466 | ||||
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No, but what about Ilya fans, Archer fans, Rider fans and so on? Or people who just wouldn't like to play a game where there is the fact that every single time you tell Shirou and Rin to go to sleep you're implictly condemning Sakura to another night of worm rape? Or people who would just be generally annoyed at the absense of most of the characters that they liked from the original game?
If you add up all the people who would be annoyed at them intentionally taking only the two favourite characters from the game and casting away the rest, I think it would add up to nearly half of the fanbase. Quote:
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There is a difference between making an RPG loosely based around FSN and making an actual sequel, and cutting out 90% of the characters from the original, especially if all you're doing is casting them into the background and leaving them to suffer horribly, like they would be with Sakura, is not going to win you any friends. Go look at the 'sequels' Nasu has made so far. One thing that they all have in common is that they try to satisfy everyone. Nasu knows that he has a diverse fanbase, and to make a sequel which involves only a small proportion of the characters would destroy that, so he won't do it. Hence why we won't get a genuine FSN sequel, because someone would get angered by it.... Quote:
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If anything, it's the Sakura-haters (or at least, not-fans) who are taking the attitude that the three routes are not equal (claiming HF is 'less important'). That's certainly the impression I got, anyway. |
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Again, Sakura's situation is irrelevant to the other routes. If you never played HF, it wouldn't of made any impression on your mind really to see what is really up with her. Quote:
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2010-08-16, 17:47 | Link #2470 |
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I'm recalling that when she, Rin, and Archer went in after Shirou at Castle Einzbern, Saber wasn't wearing her armor because she didn't have enough energy to create it. But I don't remember if she ever lost it in mid-fight. Possibly? It sounds like something that could have happened.
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2010-08-16, 17:50 | Link #2471 | |||||||||||||
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Well, do you think that Rin, Shirou and Saber would have had a Grail War worth writing about if they'd been the only three characters...?
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Plus, even if what you say is true, that story is part of the game. You can't say "Sakura doesn't matter because she only matters in her route", because her route is part of the game itself. A FSN sequel is a sequel to the whole of FSN, even if it only follows one ending, so it has to consider the characters as they are throughout the whole game, and on that basis Sakura is about equal with Saber and a little behind Rin. Quote:
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If you make a sequel, then it's expected that someone reading it will have read the original, whereas if they make something totally different it's not, which increases the potential fanbase. So, there's no good reason for such a story to follow on from UBW and include the FSN characters (at least not in any meaningful way). Quote:
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2010-08-16, 18:00 | Link #2472 | |
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2010-08-16, 18:06 | Link #2473 |
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When did it show up first in the anime? It's been awhile since I watched the early episodes. And, well, 'Saber's armor disappeared' isn't the sort of detail that really sticks out amongst the wall of text that is the VN unless a picture's attached to it...
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2010-08-16, 18:38 | Link #2474 | |
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Yeah, there is a lot of detail on those walls.
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2010-08-16, 18:55 | Link #2475 |
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Luckily, this is the PC that has FSN installed in it, so I was able to skip through and check.
Yes, her armor disappeared after her fight with Assassin. 'The armor Saber had on suddenly disappears. The girl in her defenseless blue clothes sways without turning around'. So it happens, we just don't get to see it until the end. EDIT: Though weirdly enough, I kept going and her armor explicitly doesn't disappear after she nukes Rider. Rin mentions having to take it off her. |
2010-08-16, 19:19 | Link #2477 |
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I... I don't know, honestly. I'm sort of a multitasker, so on my first read-through I sort of would have the music off pretty often so I could listen to the television in the background or something. So if I hear music that I don't remember, I'm not sure if it's new or if I just missed it last time.
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2010-08-16, 19:51 | Link #2479 | |
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Great, thanks. I know there is a lot of extra tracks on the OST, so yeah.
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2010-08-16, 19:56 | Link #2480 | |
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So it's like... maybe I did it backwards, but I'm getting the full experience in the end... |
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