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After Asumu's death, Rudolf still felt bad about what happened, but he thought remarrying with Kyrie would help fix things by making her Battler's stepmother. However, Battler didn't know why he was doing this, so he overreacted to the remarriage and ran away from the family for six years. Meanwhile, Kyrie continue to feel resentment toward Battler for being the catalyst that originally took Rudolf away from her. Seeing what this had done to his loved ones, Rudolf eventually decided to do whatever he had to in order to bring them back together, which led him to get down on his knees and beg Battler to come home. Battler remained distant from Kyrie even after that, so Rudolf finally worked up the courage to reveal everything at the family conference. He knew Kyrie would explode when she found out, which is why he'd kept quiet before, but reuniting Battler with his real mother was more important to him. That's why he told Battler they needed to have a family discussion and that he would "probably be killed". Rudolf didn't do anything wrong, other than simultaneously being in love with two different women. He was just caught in a tragic situation and tried to do what was best for his family, even if that meant sacrificing himself.
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2010-10-02, 15:49 | Link #17844 | |
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I highly doubt anyone besides maybe Rudolf himself was involved in deliberately switching the babies too, because nobody gains anything by doing that.
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2010-10-02, 15:50 | Link #17845 | |
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Spoiler for Episode 7:
I think that is very close to the final truth that will be revealed in the end. Then again, to what extent do Van Dines rules apply? If they apply to the story as a whole theres rule number 12 to consider.
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2010-10-02, 20:03 | Link #17846 | ||
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He can't stop himself from blaming himself that much .. |
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2010-10-02, 20:52 | Link #17847 |
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Technically, Van Dine is very hard on a mystery novel in which there is no crime. This is also true of Knox and any other mystery rule writer you care to name. They don't like it when a mystery isn't a mystery.
If we are not, in fact, reading a mystery, and were never told we should be thinking of something as a mystery, then what? Would Van Dine be critical of The Lord of the Rings or Heart of Darkness? Well, no. They're not mysteries. On the other hand, works that are not mysteries do not normally attempt to mislead people into thinking they are. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, we can be forgiven for thinking it was a duck and upset to discover it's actually a very talented terrier.
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2010-10-02, 22:49 | Link #17848 |
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Well, I am just going to throw a few things out here. Wright's appearance in the game means very little so far, we will have to wait to see if his rules apply to the game or how they apply.
I don't remember Battler being confirmed as Kyrie's child; we only know that there is a secret concerning his birth. Spoiler for Episode 7 spoiler-ish(not really?):
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2010-10-03, 03:05 | Link #17850 |
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How would the hospital swap explain:
Usiromiya Battler is born from Usiromiya Asumu. this particular red? and what function would the swap serve, storywise, on who/how/whydunit? I can see that this gives Kyrie more motive - but, er, she already is mad enough in EP7. |
2010-10-03, 03:26 | Link #17851 | |
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Take a look at Rosa and Maria or Eva and Ange. Rosa and Eva were terrible guardians, but that didn't mean they didn't care for the kids they were taking care of. We've seen Rosa does love Maria, and in the "Witches Tanabata" TIP, we saw Eva did try to start anew with Ange. However, in both situations, things became complicated, and Rosa and Eva treated Maria and Ange rather poorly. With love, you can understand their circumstances (of course, what sort of judgement to give to their actions after you get full understanding of their circumstances is, in my opinion, an entirely different matter). However, without love you'll see them as plainly shitty guardians who didn't care for their children. Well, I think there are several possible theories. For example, Rudolph and Asumu may have planned to name their kid Battler, but Asumu's kid was stillborn. This could have happened before or during the same day Kyrie delivered - I'm saying this could have happened before, because I find it rather suspicious Asumu and Kyrie delivered on the same day and there's also the whole deal about Rudolph arranging everything especially for Kyrie. Anyway, through connections, Rudolph made it look as if Kyrie's kid was the stillborn one, and Asumu's the live one. Rudolph named Kyrie's kid Battler, since that's how he planned to name Asumu's kid. Asumu may, or may not have been aware of this. As for why Rudolph did this. I think there are several possible reasons. Three of these would be: 1. He really wanted to marry Asumu, so he made it look as if Asumu's kid was the one who lived. 2. He didn't want his kid to be raised in the Sumadera household. 3. He was already engaged with Asumu and didn't want Kyrie to be burdened with a child.
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2010-10-03, 04:25 | Link #17852 | |
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One possibility for why Rudolf would chose Asumu instead of Kyrie is because he wanted a partner that would be good at taking care of kids instead of one that's a good business confidante. Kyrie describes giving Rudolf a lot ideas in college for some quick money schemes in episode 6. I think it's possible Rudolf might have been a little intimidated of Kyrie because she was smarter than him. If so he might have had the same mentality about women as Kinzo and Krauss.
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2010-10-03, 05:38 | Link #17853 | |
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I think that makes quite some sense. Smart competent partners are good, but if wits is all they have and that's all they can provide, then they're probably only desirable for business. Once you go back home, you want someone with whom you can relax and be at ease. Someone who cannot soothe your fatigue, or help you relive your stress would be rather undesirable, I guess.
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2010-10-03, 11:05 | Link #17855 | |
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I mean, Kyrie as a wife would be downright frightening as hell, especially when angry. Who knows that better than Rudolf? |
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2010-10-03, 21:51 | Link #17860 |
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There is something I do not understand, if the secret opening says no knox or dine, and Dlanor and Virgilia recognized this, why since Dlanor appeared why Battler and Erika's theories had to follow the decalogue.
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