2010-11-12, 21:46 | Link #18761 | |
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In fact Yasu/Lion doesn't exist for the society either, but s/he's actually the real person.
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2010-11-12, 21:52 | Link #18762 |
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Maybe as some of you have theorized that the name was just made up out of the blue, at least on the author-level. I'm pretty sure Ryukishi planned for the Ka -> Yoshi switch to kun-yomi for that kanji.
So if that's the case then why was he named like that, if it was made up? It's probably not an accident that he reveals his name as Yeshua and then goes on to sacrifice himself for Battler... 8) EDIT: I mean, someone could've just wrote... "Yes, Jessica. My name is Bob." |
2010-11-12, 22:02 | Link #18764 |
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I'm not sure Yoshiya was meant to refer to Yeshua/Jesus (especially considering that would make Maria the mother *shudders*)
Nontheless if such a relation is intended, Yasu actually is another spelling of Jesus. Also, Ryukishi loves number names way too much. |
2010-11-13, 00:33 | Link #18766 | ||||
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Also, Yasu = Jesus would pretty much be one of the best and most appropriate "Gratuitous Japanese Jesus Symbolisms" ever.
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2010-11-13, 00:35 | Link #18767 |
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Well, yes there's all these numbers which people have noticed.
Interestingly enough, Kumasawa's first name is Chiyo. Officially it's 熊沢チヨ , but the first name Chiyo could be... 千代 ... 'Thousand' 'Generations/Age' ... hm. In addition it's another 'yo' name although the 'chi' in Chiyo doesn't map to a sound that 三 could be read as. Even though there are tons of different readings for names using 三 in Japanese, it isn't 'chi.' But if you accept that 'sen' and 'san' are close then... Kumasawa in the kitchen with the mackerel! Also... there are two renderings in Japanese for Jesus: 耶蘇 (archaic but still used in Chinese/Cantonese today) or イエス. The first is pronounced 'Yaso' and the second is 'Iesu.' While they aren't an exact match for Yasu, it is close, I'd have to admit. However, I'd think it was more likely that Ryukishi was drawing on 'Yasu' from the common meme we know today... |
2010-11-13, 02:37 | Link #18768 | |
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Based on that it's probably more of an author thing than a Yasu thing. Until now though there was no reason to suspect Yasu would come up with it.
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2010-11-13, 02:51 | Link #18769 | |
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2010-11-13, 03:02 | Link #18770 | |
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2010-11-13, 03:03 | Link #18771 | ||
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Wait a minute. It all makes sense. Episode 4 is perfectly solvable if Jesus Christ is the culprit.
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2010-11-13, 04:48 | Link #18774 |
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You mean in Mandarin. I'm not sure if 耶蘇 is used for Mandarin areas, but I know it is used for sure in HK, where the Cantonese pronunciation is 'yeh soh.' There's a ton of other dialects of which I won't be able to talk about. If a dialect does come into play then it's probably Taiwanese, and therefore Hokkien. Like for the Epitaph puzzle.
Most likely Japanese picked up the usage of these kanji for Jesus from Chinese as well. But in Japanese it's pronounced 'ya so.' Anyways, not sure if there's anything to be gained from this line of thinking, i.e. if Yasu was meant to be similar to Yeshua. Hmm... wouldn't this just be a matter of Hachijou making up total B.S.? Well, not completely B.S., but for example if she did write EP5 and 6, wouldn't she be responsible for putting Erika there even though we later find out that her chances of survival were nearly non-existant? It seems she isn't hesitant to speculate even on things that aren't true. (I think it's reasonable to think the Rokkenjima Prime Erika probably had some different personality and her name was hijacked for the sake of convenience.) |
2010-11-13, 04:57 | Link #18775 |
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Oops, double post.
Not sure what to make of this, but on the topic of the themes of Christianity in Umineko, I remember there was some discussion on 2ch about this particular island. (I hope I haven't brought this up before.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsuru_Shima Of note is that it was a penal colony for Christians starting from August 1870. Of note is: "On Tsuru Shima during three years of forced labour and forced conversions 18 of the internees perished, 17 of them as martyrs, before religious freedom was granted in 1873 and the prohibition on Christianity was finally lifted." Maybe it's a coincidence, but the number of people dying (18 / 17) does seem like a very huge coincidence. |
2010-11-13, 05:10 | Link #18776 | |
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Also, I'd like to point out that at multiple opportunities, Beatrice compares her magic, grimoire, and worldview to Jesus Christ.
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2010-11-13, 05:20 | Link #18777 | |
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In other words, it's all down to interpretation. Because I categorically deny any and all magic, Hachijou's mere existence (or that of any other author, but Hachijou is the one we're given) is the easiest way I have of doing so. |
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2010-11-13, 07:06 | Link #18778 |
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That question might seem odd, but is there any sort of hints I missed that Beato 1 or Beato 2 uuh. "knew" Gaap? It's just.. when she Beato 3 in arc 4 she says she's "200-300 years younger looking" and then she realizes something.
Easy explanation would imply that Beato 3 isn't Beato 2, but that seems way too obvious after arc 3 to be worth showing in a scene... I'm starting to wonder if it isn't hinting about a Beato 4. If that sounds crazy, well there's Eva Beatrice. It's not cause she was the first to have a visual that it didn't happen in other arcs as well. |
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