2010-12-03, 00:48 | Link #81 | |
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-Why work on 20 half-assed jutsu when you can hone your basic 5 and still kick ass with them? Don't you remeber what was said by, I cannot believe I'm actually going to type this, Sasuke way back in Part I? He stated that "an expert with a rock can kill an amateur with a kunai". So while Naruto's opponent's have maybe 20 techniques which they have yet to master, Naruto will be taking down mountains with 3-4 techniques that he not only mastered, but perfected to the point where they surpassed their original design.
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2010-12-03, 01:04 | Link #82 | |
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That being said, this isn't an issue of talent (going beyond your "comfort zone" has little to do with talent, and more to do with willpower). If anything, Naruto's solution to the problem shaved off 2 years of training, so it's obvious Naruto is quite talented (in this area/technique). The same reason Kakashi limits himeslf to a dozen even though he knows a 1000... |
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2010-12-03, 01:10 | Link #84 |
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I don't really see it as being "half-assed". It is a complete technique, same power and ability as the original, just with an added step. True, it is technically not as efficient as the original, but the creation of the extra step lead directly to the Oodama Rasengan, Futon: Rasengan and the Futon: RasenShuriken, all techniques impossible without the use of the extra step Naruto created years previous and all techniques infinitely more powerful than the original.
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2010-12-03, 01:29 | Link #85 |
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i don't think that naruto is limiting himself to just a few techniques, it's just that he's focusing on the ones that he's good at. he's no good in genjutsu so that's definitely not an option for him. maybe someday he'll be able to learn some genjutsu but i doubt it would be any time soon. it's kind of like us choosing a certain course or major in college, or choosing a career path. naturally you'd choose the one that you'd be most successful in, the one that you know you can be really good at. naruto isn't multi-talented, he even has a learning disability, but he learns what he can and absorbs it like a sponge. that's why his teachers have continually tried to come up with unconventional ways to teach him, that's just the way he is. but what he does learn he continually improves and refines until he can become an expert.
geniuses like sasuke, kakashi and minato can be taught several moves and techniques simply because they learn more quickly and easily. they can even create their own signature moves without anyone's help. naruto isn't like them at all. he needs a lot of guidance and everything has to be explained to him in a way that he could best understand. but that doesn't mean he's stupid. maybe he lacks imagination, i don't know. |
2010-12-03, 02:42 | Link #86 | |
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I say the Ambush Team gets rolled next week. Kishi almost never lets anyone win two in a row. If that was round one as Kankuro said, then they have to lose round two. Even if Kabuto is trolling Madara, he'll probably get serious now. And Deidara won't "die" here so he will escape. Then maybe this will start looking like a real war instead of whatever the hell it is now.
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And even the geniuses, despite their ability to learn countless jutsu, usually rely on their specialties. How much ninjutsu has Mr. Over 200 I.Q. Shikamaru shown? Kishimoto brands his characters and wants them to use their signature moves. So therefore it's not shocking at all to see more rasengan for Naruto. Four years ago in 2006 we learned Naruto had wind chakra. After that revelation numerous fans pined for Naruto to learn and use tons of wind jutsu. And he didn't. Then there were cries for him to get a second element to show more jutsu. And he didn't. Now he is back with more rasengan. That's what he is good at. Bruce Lee said, "I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 different kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times." |
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2010-12-03, 03:14 | Link #87 | |
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you have a good point. i still don't think naruto is stupid though. he can be a fast learner if taught in a way that he could best understand. he has a learning disability i think. he's adorable that way and people who aren't talented and smart can relate to him. i think that's the reason why kishimoto made him that way. apparently, to be the main character of a manga you can't be super powerful and super brainy at the same time. naruto may be creative in his own right but he still needed to be taught how to improve his rasengan. most geniuses don't need to be told they just do, that's what kakashi did with his chidori. he further improved it into raikiri. nobody told him to do that, nobody taught him either. neji was never taught the hidden techniques of the hyuuga clan, techniques only taught to the main family. but he learned them anyway. he did it by simply observing, he taught himself. whereas naruto had to get instructions on what to do. but i agree, in the naruto world everyone has to have their signature moves and they stick to them. i guess it works in much the same way as their signature costumes. most anime/manga are just like that. Last edited by ronin myael; 2010-12-03 at 04:14. |
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2010-12-03, 03:19 | Link #88 | |
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And if you consider mere number of jutsus, Kakashi has actually showcased more jutsu than Orochimaru did. And he's the guy that wanted to learn all the jutsu in the world. Kakashi has used and is known to be able to use the following techniques. I'd say that asking for even more would be silly and gratuitous. He's shown plenty more diversity than the average ninja, and the 1000 techniques is clearly just a moniker he's earned through his countless battles. Spoiler for Techniques:
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2010-12-03, 04:40 | Link #89 | |
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2010-12-03, 04:55 | Link #91 |
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about Minato observing the tailed beast bomb from Kushina
but that means she went full Kyuubi mode ? why ? how ? I thought she only could gather the chakra like Naruto, but to turn full fox-mode the Kyuubi itself needs to allow it, like Hachibi does I think it's possible Bee and Minato fought anyway 2 things : 1) I feel soooo sorry for poor Deidara .. he got stuck with 2 emo's that are happy to disintegrate at the first chance 2) the naruto-centric part in this chapter was actually awesome .. huh
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2010-12-03, 08:00 | Link #95 |
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guys, have you ever thought that perhaps killer bee wasn't the only jinchuuriki to have fully tamed his bijuu? remember that minato lived in a time of war. many jinchuuriki from other villages fought against konoha, perhaps they too had somehow learned to use that attack. they could have gotten into full bijuu mode and wrecked villages in the process. besides, who said that the bijuu bomb can only be used by a jinchuuriki in full bijuu mode? it could be that all bijuu really have that attack on their arsenal with or without the help of a jinchuuriki. bijuu are pure chakra, who says they can't use chakra bombs to attack? perhaps minato got the idea from that.
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That or it could be the other way around and Bee witnessed Minato fighting. Bee was clearly trembling. It could be that Bee knows how powerful Minato was and that either scared or excited him, or both. We've never seen Bee shaking like that, which could mean Bee never really fought anyone who he knew could defeat him with absolute certainty or put him in a tough position either way. |
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-Well, Killer Bee did tremble at the mere mention of him so it is possible the 2 encountered each other in battle where Minato displayed the jutsu. Though at this point we can only speculate.
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2010-12-03, 09:23 | Link #99 |
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So little war-time...kinda excited though, what is Kabuto going to do with Anko?
The Naruto-already-knows-chakra blast-becauseitisrasengan!!11! made me wanna try out a chakra blast of my own, puking style...Anyways, chapter was mostly fun, good to know Naruto can't KB his training to many times faster, as well as there being a risk to really die despite his large chakra capacity. Not that he ever will, but at least he's scared, rite! |
2010-12-03, 09:26 | Link #100 |
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my problem with that is why would the 9 Tails want to take all of Naruto's
chakra?. wouldn't that mean that the Fox himself would die?.. of all the things we've seen in the past, the 9 Tails doesn't want to die, which is why his given Naruto some of his power before!.. so I think that doesn't make too much sense to me right now, unless the Fox doesn't have a choice of draining Naruto's chakra?. that's a different case if so. |
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